Spirituality
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03 Jul 05
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Originally posted by lucifershammerThat's BS unworthy of even you. I argue my points and give reasons why I believe I am correct; at no point do I say I cannot possibly be wrong. That is what your doddering old man do looking at the same evidence that is available to everybody else. The Church's position that it and only it can understand Natural and Eternal law is the height of hubris and arrogance; please reread Father Corapi's quote if you think otherwise.
No more than you are on points of law.
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Originally posted by no1marauderWhat you call the pride and arrogance of "doddering old men" is no different from the authority of the Supreme Court on matters of interpreting (the Constitution). You can choose to believe otherwise - that's your prerogative.
That's BS unworthy of even you. I argue my points and give reasons why I believe I am correct; at no point do I say I cannot possibly be wrong. That is what your doddering old man do looking at the same evidence that is availa ...[text shortened]... ance; please reread Father Corapi's quote if you think otherwise.
And yes, when it comes to points of law (I'm not talking about other arguments here) you do sometimes speak as though you cannot possibly be wrong.
I don't know the context of Fr. Corapi's quote - I'll let you know what I think about it when I see the whole article.
EDIT: While I can't find the whole text or context of Fr. Corapi's speech, it does seem to be part of a speech delivered to a Catholic audience. How members of a family (in this case, the Catholic family) choose to talk to each other will not have the same connotations taken out of context.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by lucifershammer🙄🙄
What you call the pride and arrogance of "doddering old men" is no different from the authority of the Supreme Court on matters of interpreting (the Constitution). You can choose to believe otherwise - that's your prerogative.
And yes, when it comes to points of law (I'm not talking about other arguments here) you do sometimes speak as though y ...[text shortened]... c family) choose to talk to each other will not have the same connotations taken out of context.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by no1marauderTo be more in line with Genesis, let me change your parable accordingly:
Came across this and thought it was pretty interesting:
A woman bakes a batch of cookies for a party. She warns her twins, aged 3, to not eat any. She explained to them, deceitfully, that If they did, then she would kill them. Not thinking things through carefully, she placed the cookies on a table, easily accessible to the twins. A brother ...[text shortened]... revented."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sin_gene1.htm
Thoughts? Comments?
A woman gives her all to raise two children to adulthood. Now they are completely grown up, mature and intelligent. Over the years she has provided many wonderful meals for the two, and at the same time, has prepared a great place for them to live. She gave them every kind of gift that they could ever have wanted and enjoyed great times with them every day.
This mother even provided fulfilling chores for her offspring to engage in, but always kept the worse jobs, like unsticking the bathroom sink drain, for herself. When they saw her using the Drano, she was careful to point out to them what would happen if they treated that as one of their normal delicious beverages!
Alas and Alak, even after receiving so many blessings, and having their every need completely met, one day, after talking to someone who told them their Mom was a monster, they decided to go take a swig of the ol' drano!
It turns out that the Mom's warning about the Drano was true: in the end, they both succumbed to death!
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Originally posted by chinking58Then Mom went out as drowned the rest of her children and grandchildern except for 8 .
To be more in line with Genesis, let me change your parable accordingly:
A woman gives her all to raise two children to adulthood. Now they are completely grown up, mature and intelligent. Over the years she has provided many wonder ...[text shortened]... bout the Drano was true: in the end, they both succumbed to death!
in keeping with the spirit of genesis, of course.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by chinking58I guess you didn't bother to read the thread at all; your replacement parable is full of crap.
To be more in line with Genesis, let me change your parable accordingly:
A woman gives her all to raise two children to adulthood. Now they are completely grown up, mature and intelligent. Over the years she has provided many wonderful meals for the two, and at the same time, has prepared a great place for them to live. She gave them every kind of g ...[text shortened]... out that the Mom's warning about the Drano was true: in the end, they both succumbed to death!
A) A & E were not "mature and intelligent" as they lacked the knowledge of right and wrong something any mature and intelligent adult surely has:
B) God doesn't merely warn A & E; he promises and carries out draconian punishments for their disobedience (you wouldn't expect "obedience" from a fully grown adult child would you?). God passes a sentence of death and thus kills them, not the Tree ("Drano" in your BS parable"😉.
You guys sure despise the human race don't you? The A & E story is nothing more than a "do as you told" one to enforce obedience on the weak. Your vision of humanity might be that it deserves nothing better than being slaves on and off this Earth (or mass destruction except for a small Elect); my vision and that of most rational people doesn't include such self-loathing.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompNot!
Then Mom went out as drowned the rest of her children and grandchildern except for 8 .
in keeping with the spirit of genesis, of course.
The problem with this kind of allegory is that it only tries to address a couple points at a time. To get the complete story you have to read the original, full length version.
To include Noah's ark in the Mom story, you'd have to elaborate on how the kid's heritage continued the deliberate disobedience of their forebears, thus corrupting their whole village to the point of self-destruction.
Genesis 6: 11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by chinking58Good parenting normally doesn't include killing your kids for being disobedient, Chingking.
Not!
The problem with this kind of allegory is that it only tries to address a couple points at a time. To get the complete story you have to read the original, full length version.
To include Noah's ark in the Mom story, you'd have to elaborate on how the kid's heritage continued the deliberate disobedience of their forebears, thus corrupting t ...[text shortened]... God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeChingking58: To include Noah's ark in the Mom story, you'd have to elaborate on how the kid's heritage continued the deliberate disobedience of their forebears, thus corrupting their whole village to the point of self-destruction.
Again trying hard NOT to understand things, huh ? 😉
ME: Good parenting normally doesn't include killing your kids for being disobedient, Chingking.
I think I was directly responding to Chingking's "disobedience" point. Can YOU understand that?
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by no1marauder
Chingking58: To include Noah's ark in the Mom story, you'd have to elaborate on how the kid's heritage continued the deliberate disobedience of their forebears, thus corrupting their whole village to the point of self-destruction.
ME: Good parenting normally doesn't include killing your kids for being disobedient, Chingking.
I think I was directly responding to Chingking's "disobedience" point. Can YOU understand that?
You are more rigid and closed in your thinking then any religious fundamentalist I ever had the privilige talking to.
03 Jul 05
Originally posted by ivanhoeSo, do you actually agree with Chinking's revision of the modern parable above? Do you think it proper to equate the fruit of the tree of knowledge with Drano (TM)? It seems an obvious difference is this: Drinking Drano will kill you without your mother doing anything at all. Eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge will only kill you if God decides that your disobedience is deserving of death and acts addordingly (say, by inflicting upon you various weaknesses, subjecting you to the elements, and so on).
Again trying hard NOT to understand things, huh ? 😉
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Originally posted by bbarrI only "agree" with the original.
So, do you actually agree with Chinking's revision of the modern parable above? Do you think it proper to equate the fruit of the tree of knowledge with Drano (TM)? It seems an obvious difference is this: Drinking Drano will kill you with ...[text shortened]... various weaknesses, subjecting you to the elements, and so on).
EDIT: It seems to me that the same literal and fundamentalist methods are applied by No1 & friends to prove something that is as ludicrous as stating that the creation is 6000 years old.