06 Mar 17
Originally posted by Rajk999The way I see it there are two kinds of relationships with God.
From what I see in your quotes you are pointing to passages which show that it is through Jesus Christ can man have a relationship with God.
First many would claim to have such a relationship through Christ, but the Bible says that within this same group some would please God and some would not. Therefore there are two kinds of relationship with God:
- ...[text shortened]... to know God / Christ
- God abides in him
- God knows him
- a disciple of Christ
- in Christ
The first, and the one to be desired, is the relationship that God establishes.
The other is no relationship at all.
06 Mar 17
Originally posted by josephwSo as long as you are born again you have a relationship with God.
Because only God can establish such a relationship.
That's what being "born again" means.
Only God can establish this relationship.
How does one know that God has established this relationship?
Does God contact the person and tell them?
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Originally posted by Rajk999Yes.
So as long as you are born again you have a relationship with God.
Only God can establish this relationship.
How does one know that God has established this relationship?
Does God contact the person and tell them?
Now, this relationship can deepen.
And this relationship can grow, and must.
This relationship starts and will never end unto eternity.
But the enjoyment of this relationship can be interrupted.
IE. Uncofessed sins or clung to sinning.
Unforgiveness or other un-dwelt with heart problem.
And this relationship can be hindered - though it is there there is interference in the enjoyment of the relationship.
Are these sincere questions you are asking ??
Or are these questions looking for some logical problems for debate?
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Does God communicate to the person about the relationship? That was asked.
I said Yes.
So says Romans 8:
" The Spirit Himself witnesses with our spirit that we are children of God." (Rom. 8:16)
The Holy Spirit - which is God Himself, which is Christ Himself in His pneumatic form, WITNESSES along with the WITNESSING of our own innermost human spirit. Together they witness that we have a family relationship with God. He is now our dear Father.
The Spirit bears witness with the regenerated human spirit that the Christian is one of God's own children.
This is something that the world cannot give a man.
And the world can neither take it away from any man.
06 Mar 17
Originally posted by sonshipI disagree. You have not quoted anything from the Bible to support your statements.
Yes.
Now, this relationship can deepen.
And this relationship can grow, and must.
This relationship starts and will never end unto eternity.
But the enjoyment of this relationship can be interrupted.
IE. Uncofessed sins or clung to sinning.
Unforgiveness or other un-dwelt with heart problem.
And this relationship can be hindered - though i ...[text shortened]... estions you are asking ??
Or are these questions looking for some logical problems for debate?
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06 Mar 17
Originally posted by Rajk999I quoted Romans 8:16 which proves God the Holy Spirit bears witness jointly with a man's regenerated human spirit, that he is one of God's children.
I disagree. You have not quoted anything from the Bible to support your statements.
I did not quote other passages. Of course they all exist.
Has the Spirit borne witness with your spirit that God is your dear Father on which you may intimately call "Abba, Abba Father" ?
If you don't feel any intimacy with God then you may need to ask Him to completely wash away your sins in the blood of Jesus Who you now receive as your Lord and Savior.
But if you disdain the redemption of Christ and boast that you can obey commandments into eternal life, this rejection of Christ's redemption could be the reason why you don't know God and cannot even begin to live unto God.
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06 Mar 17
Originally posted by KellyJayAmen, Christ is the best part of being a human being period.
The thing you should draw from this is God is the best part of being a Christian.
Who wants to remain in the dark - not knowing WHERE he came from or WHERE he is going ? Who wants to fall into a ditch as the blind lead the blind, neither knowing WHY they are here in the universe ?
if I am going to be a human being, I have to be lover of Jesus.
Amen ?