07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeI know what the words mean. The problem is that you are babbling.
dictionary?
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeYou say you were once an atheist, so you ought to realize that one has to believe in a divine law in order to believe in "sin". sonship's remarks directed at me assume that I believe in "sin", which is silly. And your efforts to tag along have been even more silly.
You weren't supposed to understand it.
I was sending a coded message to sonship. You don't have a decoder ring, but we do.
Originally posted by @fmfNo, what is silly is you objecting to the word "sin".
You say you were once an atheist, so you ought to realize that one has to believe in a divine law in order to believe in "sin". sonship's remarks directed at me assume that I believe in "sin", which is silly. And your efforts to tag along have been even more silly.
You cannot logically acknowledge the difference between right and wrong and at the same time claim there is no such thing as "wrong". No one has to believe in a divine law in order to recognize this... it's built into us.
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07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeI absolutely believe in 'wrong.'
No, what is silly is your objection to the word "sin".
You cannot logically acknowledge the difference between right and wrong and at the same time claim there is no such thing as "wrong". No one has to believe in a divine law in order to recognize this... it's built into us.
But as an atheist, and If I do something wrong, 'who' am I 'sinning' against exactly?
Doesn't 'sin' become obsolete when God is removed from the equation?
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeIt's not silly at all. A "sin" is a transgression of divine law. I am an atheist. "Sinning" is a notion in the minds of theists who believe there is a divine law.
No, what is silly is you objecting to the word "sin".
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeOf course I can differentiate between right and wrong. But one has to believe in a divine law in order to frame wrongdoing as "sinning". I am not a theist. And I have not claimed there is no such thing as wrong. That's something you have made up.
You cannot logically acknowledge the difference between right and wrong and at the same time claim there is no such thing as "wrong". No one has to believe in a divine law in order to recognize this... it's built into us.
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeWhile I believe that, to some degree, the capacity to know the difference between right and wrong is a result of our nature, I believe the notion of "sin" results from nurture ~ as does all religionist thought and activity.
No one has to believe in a divine law in order to recognize [the difference between right and wrong]... it's built into us.
Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeFrom the atheist perspective you could either sin against yourself or someone else.
I absolutely believe in 'wrong.'
But as an atheist, and If I do something wrong, 'who' am I 'sinning' against exactly?
Doesn't 'sin' become obsolete when God is removed from the equation?
Sin doesn't become obsolete if you remove God from the equation... not seeing God in the picture does not automatically make sin disappear.
Look around you. Are we living in a perfect utopian world? Do you hear anyone complaining about anything? If you can answer yes to the first question and no to the second then maybe you're right... maybe there is no such thing as "sin".
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeTo "SIn" is to disobey God. From "the atheist perspective", there is no such thing.
From the atheist perspective you could either sin against yourself or someone else.
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeThere is such a thing as "sin"; it exists in the minds of people who believe in a god or gods and who believe there has been a divine law imposed upon humans. For people who do not believe in supernatural lawgivers, there is no such thing as "sin".
Look around you. Are we living in a perfect utopian world? Do you hear anyone complaining about [b]anything? If you can answer yes to the first question and no to the second then maybe you're right... maybe there is no such thing as "sin".[/b]
07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterWhy are you replying to your own post as though it was someone else who wrote it?
as expected...
Originally posted by @lemon-limeI'm not; but you were.
Why are you replying to your own post as though it was someone else who wrote it?
Someone else suggested you were using a second account but I am not convinced you are smart enough to pull that off [sic]
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07 Aug 18
Originally posted by @lemon-limeSorry old chap but 'sin' is a meaningless word in an atheist context. Sin necessitates a moral lawgiver.
From the atheist perspective you could either sin against yourself or someone else.
Sin doesn't become obsolete if you remove God from the equation... not seeing God in the picture does not automatically make sin disappear.
Look around you. Are we living in a perfect utopian world? Do you hear anyone complaining about [b]anything? If you can answ ...[text shortened]... question and no to the second then maybe you're right... maybe there is no such thing as "sin".[/b]
I can certainly 'wrong' someone (or even myself) by my own or societies standards of right and wrong, but that's the extent of it.