abortion

Originally posted by josephw
[b]abort.73.com

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?
In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

You have a lot to learn robbebop. You should look up some statistics and see why and who are having abortions. And try thinking outside the box you've constructed around your head. Abortion is probably the deadliest and most heinous crime perpet ...[text shortened]... d about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.[/b]

1) you are totally dodging my two questions
2) I certainly have a lot to learn, but who doesn't?
3) As you are missing my point, I will make it clearer: I am NOT saying we should prevent all pregnancies, what I am saying is, with no birth control, there will be families with 7 children, which would undo years and years of feminism. You realize that, because of birth control, woman are now able to have a career because they don't have to raise a bunch of kids?
4) As for abortions, it is easy to explain why so many unmarried women bet abortions: first of all, abortions are generally allowed in countries were a religion isn't that powerfull anymore. therefore, a lot of couples only marry for the State, but not for the Church. besides, those numbers are all registered abortions, and the abortions that don't take place in a hospithal are not included, because we can't count those as they happen in the shadows.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
It will be the black market that takes up the slack..

Do they call them "backyard abortions" over there too?

Is that the expression in English? Here they call the people that execute the abortion in black market angelmakers (not kidding). That is an old word though, as abortions are allowed until the 12th week, and past this under certain circumstances.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
If you mean NT, say NT. The bible includes the OT which contains all manner of abuse, often sanctioned by God.

I forgot you don't understand what it means to be a Christian. I am sure you've read the Bible enough times to see what is in there, but you still don't understand. No amount of explanation from me would help.

Originally posted by robbebop
1) you are totally dodging my two questions
2) I certainly have a lot to learn, but who doesn't?
3) As you are missing my point, I will make it clearer: I am NOT saying we should prevent all pregnancies, what I am saying is, with no birth control, there will be families with 7 children, which would undo years and years of feminism. You realize that, becau ...[text shortened]... ace in a hospithal are not included, because we can't count those as they happen in the shadows.

As we agree, a woman who wants a career and not be held back by children can get sterilized. A perfect solution for the femanist who doesn't want to be bothered with kids.

You are correct that a parent can't be in two places at once. A choice must be made. In the end, which is more important your kids or your career.

Originally posted by Eladar
As we agree, a woman who wants a career and not be held back by children can get sterilized. A perfect solution for the femanist who doesn't want to be bothered with kids.

You are correct that a parent can't be in two places at once. A choice must be made. In the end, which is more important your kids or your career.

I don't think women should be forced to choose between career and children.

And I think the man should have himself sterilized if a couple doesn't want children anymore: it is less painfull for men and can be undone

Originally posted by robbebop
I don't think women should be forced to choose between career and children.

And I think the man should have himself sterilized if a couple doesn't want children anymore: it is less painfull for men and can be undone

Women can be undone as well, or have her eggs frozen for implant at a later date.

A femanist who wants freedom can't guarantee every partner is sterile. If she is, then the other doesn't matter.

Not all women are feminists just like not all women support abortion. About half the women in this country are against abortion.

Did you watch silent scream, an ultra sound of an abortion at 11 weeks? We wouldn't allow that to be done to a dog, but we do it to humans because their screams are silent.

Originally posted by Eladar
Women can be undone as well, or have her eggs frozen for implant at a later date.

A femanist who wants freedom can't guarantee every partner is sterile. If she is, then the other doesn't matter.

Not all women are feminists just like not all women support abortion. About half the women in this country are against abortion.

Did you watch silent scream, a ...[text shortened]... We wouldn't allow that to be done to a dog, but we do it to humans because their screams are silent.

It is about women. They are our species or race. Men are just ignorant here, bred for some other reasons.

So, man, life forms inside you against your will, what should be your rights?

Originally posted by Eladar
Women can be undone as well, or have her eggs frozen for implant at a later date.

A femanist who wants freedom can't guarantee every partner is sterile. If she is, then the other doesn't matter.

Not all women are feminists just like not all women support abortion. About half the women in this country are against abortion.

Did you watch silent scream ...[text shortened]... ouldn't allow that to be done to a dog, but we do it to humans because their screams are silent.

women can be undone but the chances are much lower, and frozen eggs aren't that trustworthy as well. A much easier, better and more used solution is using the pill or a condom, but your religion doesn't allow that.
as for the silenscream thingy, one half of the videos wouldn't play, the other half were poor quality.
It is strange to me that you are against abortion, but for death penalty, which is murder too and were you can see real people dying, not some 5mm big foetus.

Originally posted by robbebop
women can be undone but the chances are much lower, and frozen eggs aren't that trustworthy as well. A much easier, better and more used solution is using the pill or a condom, but your religion doesn't allow that.
as for the silenscream thingy, one half of the videos wouldn't play, the other half were poor quality.
It is strange to me that you are again ...[text shortened]... th penalty, which is murder too and were you can see real people dying, not some 5mm big foetus.

I am not Catholic. Raised Lutheran.

The women out there enjoying rheir freedom are not Christians at all so religion plays no part.


As for the death penalty, I assume most who are found guilty are guilty.

Perhaps you will understand this.

A woman is raped and gets pregnant...

You say kill the innocent baby, let the evil rapist live. I say kill the evil rapist, let the innocent baby live.

If you can't see the truth in that, then you have been raised in a truly evil culture.

Originally posted by Eladar

A woman is raped and gets pregnant...

You say kill the innocent baby, let the evil rapist live. I say kill the evil rapist, let the innocent baby live.

If you can't see the truth in that, then you have been raised in a truly evil culture.[/b]

Where does the women feature in this scenario? You don't even give her a mention.

Originally posted by Eladar
I am not Catholic. Raised Lutheran.

The women out there enjoying rheir freedom are not Christians at all so religion plays no part.


As for the death penalty, I assume most who are found guilty are guilty.

Perhaps you will understand this.

A woman is raped and gets pregnant...

You say kill the innocent baby, let the evil rapist live. I say ki ...[text shortened]... live.

If you can't see the truth in that, then you have been raised in a truly evil culture.

"the women out there enjoying their freedom are not Christians at all": So are you saying that a good Christian woman shouldn't take the pill; and a goiod Christian man shouldn't use a condom?

And again you forget all about the mother. should she go through all the pain of getting a baby, only to be remembered every time she sees her child of her being raped? Should her husband raise a child from that evil rapist?

Why kill the rapist? I thought being Christian was all about forgiving.

Edit: I Think the big problem with this discussion is that Christians see the foetus as a complete human, whereas people supporting abortion see the foetus as a thing that has the potential of becoming a human, but also has the potential of killing the mother (physically or metally). Am I right in this? If anyone disagrees about this edit (pro or contra abortion) please say so.

Originally posted by Eladar
As we agree, a woman who wants a career and not be held back by children can get sterilized. A perfect solution for the femanist who doesn't want to be bothered with kids.

You are correct that a parent can't be in two places at once. A choice must be made. In the end, which is more important your kids or your career.

Your image of typical working mothers is skewed. Most working mothers don't have "careers", they have jobs and their two options on a given day between say, going to work or staying home with a sick child who would otherwise be at school, both boil down to how to best take care of their kids.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Where does the women feature in this scenario? You don't even give her a mention.

She lives.

Originally posted by JS357
Your image of typical working mothers is skewed. Most working mothers don't have "careers", they have jobs and their two options on a given day between say, going to work or staying home with a sick child who would otherwise be at school, both boil down to how to best take care of their kids.

In a vast number of cases you describe, it is a result of people rejecting God's instruction.

The only cases when not is when a spouse dies or becomes unable to help.

What is your solution, kill the kid. Nice

Originally posted by robbebop
[b]1) you are totally dodging my two questions
2) I certainly have a lot to learn, but who doesn't?
3) As you are missing my point, I will make it clearer: I am NOT saying we should prevent all pregnancies, what I am saying is, with no birth control, there will be families with 7 children, which would undo years and years of feminism. You realize that, becau ...[text shortened]... e all registered abortions, and the abortions that don't take place in a hospithal are not included,

I understand you have a philosophy of life. You are posing your thoughts and ideas about how you think things should be in contrast to the way they have been and are.

You pose your opinions as though they are right and true, while suggesting that having 7 children is a bad thing curtailing personal freedom.

There's nothing wrong with having 7 children. You are wrong. One size does not fit all.

My wife and I have 6 children. My wife's "career" has been as a homemaker, and she is very good at it and quite content. As am I. We each have our role. Both our roles are equally valuable to the success of a family and the making of a home. Maybe someday you'll learn and understand the value in that. I hope you do.

Abstinence, not abortion, is the only viable option.

1b]"...because we can't count those as they happen in the shadows."[/b]

The day will come when the things done in the "shadows" will be exposed by the light. Abortion is murder. Plain and simple. No excuses.