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Originally posted by FMF
No, I have no general rule about sex. I have my moral sensibilities - as discussed ad nauseam elsewhere - and, guided by them, I try to navigate my way through life being as good a person as I can in my interactions with others, and making sense of the world, and the human condition that envelops it, as best I can.

Are your moral sensibilities 'fixed' as a general rule, or do they change according to your personal preference?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Are your moral sensibilities 'fixed' as a general rule, or do they change according to your personal preference?

They are just as I have described them. They have changed over the years ~ through the application of experience and maturity. If you want to spend a few moments telling me if you think pre-marital sex is "good or evil", then you should, although, I am not interested in anything you copy paste from the internet. I spent 8 minutes writing - for you - about my take on the morality of sex. You don't need to feel obliged to spend as long as that. It's up to you.

Originally posted by FMF
They are just as I have described them. They have changed over the years ~ through the application of experience and maturity. If you want to spend a few moments telling me if you think pre-marital sex is "good or evil", then you should, although, I am not interested in anything you copy paste from the internet. I spent 8 minutes writing - for you - about my tak ...[text shortened]... on the morality of sex. You don't need to feel obliged to spend as long as that. It's up to you.

So what you view to be moral today may be immoral tomorrow since your moral sensibilities change with age?

As an ex-Christian you should probably know and be able to relate to some of my moral beliefs. I obviously believe that sex was created by God specifically for use between a man and a woman within the confines of marriage. Just like fire belongs in the fire place sex belongs in marriage. If you take it out of its proper place you are going to burn something down. From a personal point of view I have no regrets that I saved myself for my spouse till after we got married.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So what you view to be moral today may be immoral tomorrow since your moral sensibilities change with age?

As an ex-Christian you should probably know and be able to relate to some of my moral beliefs. I obviously believe that sex was created by God specifically for use between a man and a woman within the confines of marriage. Just like fire belongs ...[text shortened]... nal point of view I have no regrets that I saved myself for my spouse till after we got married.

As on most topics, the bible is inconsistent on that. Seeing as your 'absolute truth' is based only on the bible, how do you reconcile these inconsistencies? Or are you now just going to quote passages that support your argument and ignore the passages that don't?

(And don't ask me to educate you about your own bible. Do your own donkey work).

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So what you view to be moral today may be immoral tomorrow since your moral sensibilities change with age?

I'm in my 50s so I have probably reached somewhat of a plateau in many ways, intellectually and spiritually speaking. So make of that what you want; It's not clear how much interaction you have had with adults. Your questions often make you sound naive and immature. How old are you, if I may ask? No need to answer if you think it will cause the penny to drop for many of the onlookers.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I obviously believe that sex was created by God specifically for use between a man and a woman within the confines of marriage. Just like fire belongs in the fire place sex belongs in marriage. If you take it out of its proper place you are going to burn something down. From a personal point of view I have no regrets that I saved myself for my spouse till after we got married.

Thanks.

Was "Just like fire belongs in the fire place sex belongs in marriage" an original idea of yours, those words, that analogy?

Originally posted by FMF
I'm in my 50s so I have probably reached somewhat of a plateau in many ways, intellectually and spiritually speaking. So make of that what you want; It's not clear how much interaction you have had with adults. Your questions often make you sound naive and immature. How old are you, if I may ask? No need to answer if you think it will cause the penny to drop for many of the onlookers.

If you say your moral sensibilities are evolving and getting better with maturity and age, then by what non-subjective standard do you judge that it is really getting better?

If you say you have reached a plateau does that mean you have stopped evolving?

If you were 60 I'd be more than half your age.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you were 60 I'd be more than half your age.

Well then, if you are to be believed, why do you behave the way you do on this forum?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you say you have reached a plateau does that mean you have stopped evolving?

Don't know. Maybe so. Maybe not. I will see. People tend to become more conservative in later life. I don't know if I will. I am probably more conservative now than I was 30 years ago. The solid core of my moral sensibilities have changed very little. I no longer subscribe to the notion of "sin", of course, so that was a relatively big evolution. By "somewhat of a plateau", I am referring to there being no dramatic or sudden changes or major life-altering rethinks.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
If you say your moral sensibilities are evolving and getting better with maturity and age, then by what non-subjective standard do you judge that it is really getting better?

I am totally bored of your talk of "non-subjective standards". I have addressed the notions you have with regard to "universality", "objectivity", "absolute truth", and "non-subjective" this that and the other. You know exactly where I stand on all that. And I know that you see things differently. Talk to someone else about this stuff. Or, if you want to remind yourself of my stance, see the "Hitler" thread.

Originally posted by FMF
Well then, if you are to be believed, why do you behave the way you do on this forum?

How should I know, do you think it's because I was psychologically abused for two and half decades?

Originally posted by FMF
I am totally bored of your talk of "non-subjective standards". I have addressed the notions you have with regard to "universality", "objectivity", "absolute truth", and "non-subjective" this that and the other. You know exactly where I stand on all that. And I know that you see things differently. Talk to someone else about this stuff. Or, if you want to remind yourself of my stance, see the "Hitler" thread.

Indeed, pretend they don't exist. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
How should I know, do you think it's because I was psychologically abused for two and half decades?

Well I have asked you if you were but you declined to answer. Your story about the cult may have been a "decoy" as divegeester suggested. And you admitted to checking the internet before describing your own supposed experience.

If you want to to look at what you posted, and state categorically that it did not amount to psychological abuse, then you could do that. I have called you out for your lack of common decency today, but if it turns out that you are, in fact, not in good health, then I will retract the "lack of common decency" comment and stop interacting with you.

You can tell me by PM if you want. And if it is so, I will simply stop discussing things with you. It's up to you.

Here is what you claimed:

I grew up in a legalistic 'Christian cult' where I was indoctrinated from a young age to believe that the teachings of my church was true and that all other churches that didn't believe exactly what we believed were lost. I was indoctrinated to follow laws that weren't even in the Bible. I was not allowed to talk to the opposite sex, watch tv, listen to non Christian music etc, and believed that I needed to confess every bad thought that I had to a counsellor in the church who would pray with me for God to forgive me. Women in our church were not allowed to wear trousers or jewelry, and you weren't allowed to be romantically involved with the person you wanted to marry. You had to marry someone from the same church. You had to 'hear from God' who the person was that you were going to marry and you weren't even allowed to talk to them before you got married. Anyone who questioned the rules of this church were excommunicated and everyone in the church believed they were going to hell and shunned them like lepers. I was born into the church and for 24 years I believed that everything they taught was the absolute truth. Parents would disown their children if they decided to leave.

"Barriers to belief" page 42.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Indeed, pretend ["non-subjective standards"] don't exist. Problem solved.

This would suggest that, after weeks and weeks of "conversation" with me, you believe that I think "non-subjective standards" do exist. Blimey. Which of my posts led you to believe this? And what exactly is the "problem" that you think is "solved"?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Indeed, pretend they don't exist. Problem solved.

Pretend my last reply doesn't exist. Problem solved.

Here it is again:

As on most topics, the bible is inconsistent on that. Seeing as your 'absolute truth' is based only on the bible, how do you reconcile these inconsistencies? Or are you now just going to quote passages that support your argument and ignore the passages that don't?

(And don't ask me to educate you about your own bible. Do your own donkey work).