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07 Oct 16
Originally posted by apathistOstriches do not bury their heads in the sand.
the site posted by tw says that
[quote]Addiction is a condition that results when a person ingests a substance (e.g., alcohol, cocaine, nicotine) or engages in an activity (e.g., gambling, sex, shopping) that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities, such as work, relationsh ...[text shortened]... 'compulsion' at all.
Hi, twhitehead! Google ostrich head in sand, set image to your desktop.
Can't you get anything right?
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08 Oct 16
originally posted by Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
"addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue rather than simply as a 'choice'".
This is speaking of addiction itself, not of the addict.
People may have maturity issues. 'Addiction itself' never will. You aren't making sense.
"the idea that addicts are immature is painting with too wide a brush"
I never made this claim or anything remotely approaching it. It's your brush, not mine.
You said quote addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue so unless you meant that addicts are very mature, you certainly implied they are immature or something remotely approaching it. You are not making any sense. Bump me to tears, I was warned.
You were incapable of figuring this out by rereading what I wrote and comparing it to what you wrote?
I'm gonna avoid further eye contact with, um am shuffling off. Nice weather! Western Colorado, clouds building up over the plateau, the scenery is breathtaking and I work in a place where huge bay windows open to astounding views. Life is good.
Originally posted by twhiteheadNone of that contradicts my position, I'm already aware of all that and lots more too, and I merely posted the definition from your own site that you felt backed your play. I told you to do some work, but you're weak as a kitten. Kittens are cute though.The word addiction is used in several different ways. One definition describes physical addiction. This is a biological state in which the body adapts to the presence of a drug so that drug no longer has the same effect, otherwise known as a tolerance. Another form of physical addiction is the phenomenon of overreaction by the brain to drugs ...
I found your site to be sympathetic to my position.
Because you cherry picked.
Originally posted by apathistSure. Pretend to not understand simple concepts even after it's spelled out for you rather than admit that you were wrong. Never ceases to amaze me how some would rather appear an idiot rather than admit it.
originally posted by [b]Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
"addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue rather than simply as a 'choice'".
This is speaking of addiction itself, not of the addict.
People may have maturity issues. 'Addiction itself' never will. You aren't making sense.
"the idea that addicts are immat ...[text shortened]... reathtaking and I work in a place where huge bay windows open to astounding views. Life is good.
08 Oct 16
Originally posted by apathistBecause you didn't read it.
None of that contradicts my position,
I'm already aware of all that...
Clearly not.
and I merely posted the definition from your own site that you felt backed your play.
No, you posted part of the definition from a site I linked to earlier in the thread. It isn't my site. It was one of two links I gave when you asked for a definition. And it doesn't support your claims.
08 Oct 16
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes it does.
No, you posted part of the definition from a site I linked to earlier in the thread. It isn't my site. It was one of two links I gave when you asked for a definition. And it doesn't support your claims.
Btw, everything you think you know about addiction is wrong.
https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong?language=en
08 Oct 16
Originally posted by apathistPardon me, but I'm really interested in knowing what you typed into a search engine to get this page?
Yes it does.
Btw, everything you think you know about addiction is wrong.
https://www.ted.com/talks/johann_hari_everything_you_think_you_know_about_addiction_is_wrong?language=en
08 Oct 16
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Originally posted by apathistSeems you failed to understand the distinction between someone calling you an idiot and someone stating that you were "[pretending] to not understand simple concepts even after it's spelled out for you rather than admit that you were wrong" and how you "would rather appear an idiot rather than admit it.".
I'm an idiot all right. My own stupidity and ignorance is my cross to bear. But still I'd have to move backwards to keep up with you.
Just as you failed to understand that my saying that "addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue" does not in any way imply that "they had no maturity at all at any level about anything" as well as other things.
So perhaps there isn't any "pretending" going on whatsoever. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I stand corrected.
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08 Oct 16
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneNot quite on point, but I think countries like France (for example) have a more 'mature' relationship with alcohol, than say the Brits do. (Of whom I'm one). Even young kids often drink wine with a meal (though heavily watered down) which leads them to grow up drinking sensibly and not putting too much emphasis on consuming alcohol. (As opposed to the typical Brit who hits 18 and then goes out drinking with the sole aim of getting paralytic).
Seems you failed to understand the distinction between someone calling you an idiot and someone stating that you were "[pretending] to not understand simple concepts even after it's spelled out for you rather than admit that you were wrong" and how you "would rather appear an idiot rather than admit it.".
Just as you failed to understand that my sayin ...[text shortened]... ding" going on whatsoever. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I stand corrected.
In short, it is wise to develop a healthy relationship with alcohol as we mature. This of course won't remove the possibility of future addiction, but will probably make it less likely.
09 Oct 16
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Originally posted by apathistI can understand why you edited out the majority of my post, since it's embarrassing for you. Calling me a "troll" doesn't change the facts stated in my post. Nor does continuing to refuse to admit that you were wrong. Nor did editing out the majority of my post.
You're just a troll, and not very good at it.
Here is my post in its entirety:
Seems you failed to understand the distinction between someone calling you an idiot and someone stating that you were "[pretending] to not understand simple concepts even after it's spelled out for you rather than admit that you were wrong" and how you "would rather appear an idiot rather than admit it.".
Just as you failed to understand that my saying that "addiction might best be understood as a maturity issue" does not in any way imply that "they had no maturity at all at any level about anything" as well as other things.
So perhaps there isn't any "pretending" going on whatsoever. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I stand corrected.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatMany alcoholics don't drink.
I have tried to explain the nature of addiction to you in this thread, but you appear unable or unwilling to accept that explanation, instead choosing to cleave to your own, unrealistic and patently false view of the condition. You are fortunate in that you have clearly never been close to an addict, or suffered so yourself, and I sincerely hope that ...[text shortened]... e you will then understand that simply not drinking again does nothing to remove the affliction.
So you are saying everyone that had an alcohol addiction in the past is an 'alcoholic for life' and no alcoholic can ever stop being an alcoholic even if they never have a drop of alcohol ever again? By implication can someone who has never had a drop of alcohol in their entire life also be an alcoholic without knowing about it?
The definition for alcoholic is 'a person who suffers from alcholism'.
And the definition of 'alcoholism' is
1: continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
2a : poisoning by alcohol
b : a chronic disorder marked by excessive and usually compulsive drinking of alcohol leading to psychological and physical dependence or addiction
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alcoholism
Nothing that you say follow any of these definitions. If you have a better definition feel free to share it.