Spirituality
27 Sep 16
Originally posted by apathistCorrect. Think it through then run away in shame.
You claim alcoholism is a disease, but alcoholism is not due to disease.
Tip for the day: when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.
Yes, you should have thought of that on page one. Now you are so deep down in that hole, you have no choice but to cover yourself in dirt and hide, or just keep digging forever. (aka Freaky).
Originally posted by twhiteheadRather than respond to the content of a post respond with an ad hominem. Twiteheads favorite tactic. Next he will say it wasn't an ad hominem. Or that I have poor reading comprehension.
Fetchmyjunk logic: don't read a dictionary, don't read other peoples posts, just keep talking nonsense till everyone gets tired of you.
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04 Oct 16
Originally posted by apathistIn case you posted this in the Spirituality Forum because you seek the possibility of some spiritual liberation, I recommend three short videos.
The subject is complicated, but addiction is not a disease, it is not due to genetic flaw, it is not an act of the gods, and it is not inescapable.
Google the thread title.
The Key to Experiencing Christ, the Human spirit - Part 1 of 3
Part 2 of 3
Part 3 of 3
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkIn my experience, once a person suffers from alcoholism, then they will still be alcoholics [or, if you want, 'recovering alcoholic'] 20 years after they had their last drink.
So addiction is permanent? Once you are addicted to something you are addicted for life? Do you seriously believe that?
You claimed you know about this: you said "I know quite a few alcoholics and heroin addicts (and chain smokers) that no longer have an addiction, because they stopped using". So you surely concur with me?
I would say a good practical in-the-field definition of an alcoholic is both [1] someone who is addicted to alcohol and whose body and mind reacts to it in a certain way, and [2] someone who cannot drink alcohol [meaning they cannot cope with it or control it] and must not allow themselves to drink alcohol because they have been [1] at some point. Both.
Personally, I think there are countless "alcoholics" out there who haven't touched alcohol for years. Forever, until the day they day they die, it has to be 'one day at a time', no matter how much quality alcohol-free life they put between the sobriety of the present day and the bad old days of the bottle.
04 Oct 16
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI almost concur. I'd say "Addiction is like a deep cut to the arm. Healing is possible..." ...yes indeed. But then I'd go on to say "...the skin will always carry a scar, and - if you're not always careful about what you do with your arm, the deep cut in it can simply reappear."
Addiction is like a deep cut to the arm. Healing is possible, but the skin will always carry a scar.
04 Oct 16
Originally posted by FMFA person that is an alcoholic suffers from alcoholism which is the 'continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks'. Surely if they stop using alcohol they are no longer an alcoholic.
In my experience, once a person suffers from alcoholism, then they will still be alcoholics [or, if you want, 'recovering alcoholic'] 20 years after they had their last drink.
You claimed you know about this: you said "I know quite a few alcoholics and heroin addicts (and chain smokers) that no longer have an addiction, because they stopped using". So you su ...[text shortened]... l-free life they put between the sobriety of the present day and the bad old days of the bottle.
04 Oct 16
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkI explained my perspective. My perspective is based on knowing people who cannot allow themselves ever to drink alcohol again. I consider them to be alcoholics and so do they (for the most part).
A person that is an alcoholic suffers from alcoholism which is the 'continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks'. Surely if they stop using alcohol they are no longer an alcoholic.
You are welcome to discuss this dictionary or that dictionary. I am more interested in discussing actual people.
By which I mean people whose bodies and minds actually can't cope with alcohol (and never will be able to cope), whether it be the dose of it they just swallowed, or whether it be the dose they might swallow in 5 minutes from now if it were not for the self-prohibition in place on account of the weakness or susceptibility they know they have.
And they know they still have this weakness or susceptibility even though it may have been years since they swallowed their last dose.
I am simply describing my perspective on the reality of alcoholism.