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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin
A baby was just born in China with four limbs.
Questions for believers... Did your deity intend for parasitic twins to be born as regular separated twins? If so, what thwarts His will in such matters? If not, are we violating His will if we surgically remove and discard the parts?
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac II
A baby was just born in China with four limbs.
I did not visit your link. But I think I get your point without reading it.
Questions for believers... Did your deity ...
First of Deity is just Deity. He is not private to my ownership.
If there is God that God is not the God of my religion.
He is God of all reality, all being, all the universe.
Though is a bit on the side to your main point.
IE. "Your little deity" ?
There is only God. Ultimately there is not "my Deity" but not yours.
Did you create yourself ?
intend for parasitic twins to be born as regular separated twins? If so, what thwarts His will in such matters? If not, are we violating His will if we surgically remove and discard the parts?
In the New Testament, the will of God, or God's will, is not spoken often, and perhaps not at all, in terms of minute matters.
The concept of "God's will" is reserved for highly transcendent things like the building of the church, the conformity of saved men to the image of Christ, the glorification of His people, through tough circumstances and situations of all kinds.
The concept of the will of God is not spoken of in matters very much about where you work, who you marry, what house you have, or other lesser circumstances of typical human life.
How I was born with a deformity or not, how I came out of the womb, with a defect or not, whether I was a twin, or born with triplets, "Siamese twins," cojoined, or other physical maladies or fortunes related to natural birth, are not the subject matter of "God's will".
And if I write more, like I would prefer to, I will stop here for few can endure a length of more than a small paragraph. They want difficult questions to Christians to be handled in a short snippet that does not require too much contemplation.
When the disciples of Jesus asked Him essentially why a certain man was born blind, Jesus said all was for the glory of God. Then He healed him. But in every instance He may not heal such a situation and still seek God's glory in other ways.
"And as He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
And His disciple asked Him, saying, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind ?
Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned nor his parents, but he was born so, that the works of God might be manifested in him." (John 9:1-3)
To speak of the thwarting of "God's will" in terms of what medical professionals would do or not do with this child born in this unfortunate situation is superficial.
The will of God concerning this person is more importantly related to their interaction with God internally in relation to His eternal purpose of God dispensed into man, in union with man, being glorified in man in spite of this physical malady.
20 Jun 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac III'd just leave it the way it is, no matter how you say some things people
KellyJay, preach me a little sermon on the meaning of the following verse if time permits.
Mark 11:24 - Therefore I say unto you, what things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
If you could have Bibles published with whatever verbiage you think Mark 11:24 ought to have in order to not be misleading, how would you write it?
can twist them into what they want. That is one that people do twist into
whatever they want. I don't like the idea of changing the scripture to make
it mean what I think it should say, it says what it says.
Kelly
20 Jun 14
Originally posted by sonshipWould I be putting words in your mouth if I said that you live most of your waking hours thinking pretty much the same way that an agnostic does?
The concept of "God's will" is reserved for highly transcendent things like the building of the church, the conformity of saved men to the image of Christ, the glorification of His people, through tough circumstances and situations of all kinds.
The concept of the will of God is not spoken of in matters very much about where you work, who you marry, what house you have, or other lesser circumstances of typical human life.
Originally posted by KellyJayGood question. Here's one example.
How is that, how does an agnostic think?
Kelly
I walk out of the grocery store and don't see my car. Some possibilities form in my mind:
a) I am not properly remembering where I parked it.
b) Some thief broke into it and stole it.
c) I walked to the store this time, and have forgotten that I did not take the car to get here.
I do NOT think:
d) I should look up into the sky because a demon may have elevated it up into the air and suspended it there to punish me for giving a generous offering at church last weekend.
e) God supernaturally teleported it to Bangladesh to give it to somebody who needs it more than I do.
20 Jun 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IITypically everyone Theist included would think like that, it is things like
Good question. Here's one example.
I walk out of the grocery store and don't see my car. Some possibilities form in my mind:
a) I am not properly remembering where I parked it.
b) Some thief broke into it and stole it.
c) I walked to the store this time, and have forgotten that I did not take the car to get here.
I do [b]NOT think:
d) ...[text shortened]... d supernaturally teleported it to Bangladesh to give it to somebody who needs it more than I do.[/b]
how did everything begin where no one has gone through daily experience
actually witnessing the event. Now many may make claims and than you
can sort them out.
Kelly
20 Jun 14
Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIAre you expecting people to take you seriously, or just having sport?
Good question. Here's one example.
I walk out of the grocery store and don't see my car. Some possibilities form in my mind:
a) I am not properly remembering where I parked it.
b) Some thief broke into it and stole it.
c) I walked to the store this time, and have forgotten that I did not take the car to get here.
I do [b]NOT think:
d) ...[text shortened]... d supernaturally teleported it to Bangladesh to give it to somebody who needs it more than I do.[/b]
20 Jun 14
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitic_twin
A baby was just born in China with four limbs.
Questions for believers... Did your deity intend for parasitic twins to be born as regular separated twins? If so, what thwarts His will in such matters? If not, are we violating His will if we surgically remove and discard the parts?
A baby was just born in China with four limbs.This is the normal number.
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Originally posted by Paul Dirac IIWould I be putting words in your mouth if I said you live most of your waking hours having no idea how an agnostic thinks?
Would I be putting words in your mouth if I said that you live most of your waking hours thinking pretty much the same way that an agnostic does?
21 Jun 14
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Originally posted by DeepThoughtGood catch. 😉A baby was just born in China with four limbs.This is the normal number.
I should have said eight limbs-- or else four extra limbs.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/weird/2014/04/17/china-baby-four-legs-arms/7826685/
21 Jun 14
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHMy hope is that believers who trash the possibility of miracles in modern times will seriously consider becoming just as skeptical when reading bronze-age texts.
Are you expecting people to take you seriously, or just having sport?
Oh I know, the mainstream Christian says, "The age of miracles is over." But your Book says your God never changes, eh.
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Originally posted by KellyJayKJ, do you seriously believe that this verse implies that God has male genitalia? (Please excuse me if this sounds coarse, but it is pertinent to this discussion)
‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
Firstly, God is Spirit. As such, there is no gender involved.
Secondly, the first and second commandments clearly stipulate that we should NOT make ourselves any image of God. That includes mental images and constructs. Whatever image you make for yourself of God, is 100% certain of being wrong. This normally leads to the old man with a beard sitting on a throne. Don't do it.
Thirdly, there are many verses in the Bible that give god feminine attributes. For example, the picture of a mother weaning her child, and of a hen gathering her chickens, to name just two.
So the picture of God being our Father has been presented just as one obvious symbol exemplifying one of his more obvious roles. Yet by no stretch of the imagination can this be taken as an all defining, and thereby limiting, presentation of the God of the Universe.
When I alternate the pronouns "he" and "she" i am doing it for the specific purpose of jarring our preconceived, and well-ingrained (but totally inadequate) picture of God.
And I seem to have succeeded!