28 Oct 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWe thank you for the complementary characterization. Another delightful theist to be friends with!
lol, i didn't realize i was, i was just throwing out some of my own thoughts, as i stated i dunno why it is that people feel the need to be demeaning, is it because i said they are, 'on a big fat ego trip', if this is true it can hardly be construed as demeaning, never the less, i could be wrong and as you are aware, i am forever apologizing when i r ...[text shortened]... ve a disclaimer! in fact maybe i should just stop posting comments, ...no comments please!😀
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by Pawnokeyholewho said anything about friends? 2 Corinthians 6:14, 'Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols?', now that we understand each other, how are you ?
We thank you for the complementary characterization. Another delightful theist to be friends with!
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeI made no such accusation.
And it's not insulting and sarcastic for a theist to accuse all atheists of a serious moral defect?
If one believes there is "no God", but there is, then by definition that one is an enemy of God.
I do not make this assertion for the purpose of being sarcastic or insulting. I am simply stating the obivious.
In addition, I do not believe atheists are moraly defective any more than theists. The only difference between the two is that one acknowledges the existence of God, and hopefully trusts in His son for eternal life, and subsequently learns how to live a life that reflects Godliness.
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who said anything about friends? 2 Corinthians 6:14, 'Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols?', now that we understand each other, how are you ?
10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. 10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Matthew 9
28 Oct 08
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Originally posted by gaychessplayerNorm Giesler not only takes Atheistic and Agnostic arguments repectfully and seriosly. He also explains what contributions they have made in sharpening and perfecting Christian theology with arguments which have some amount of validity.
After having been a participant on the Spirituality Forum for some time, I've noticed that about 80% of the posts that contain sarcasm and personal attacks are posted by atheists and agnostics.
I've noticed the same thing about popular books about rellgion. Books written from a non-theist perspective like The God Delusion by Richard Dawki any event, has anyone made a similar observation, or am I just chock-full-of-it (as usual)?
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by SwissGambitand your point is?10 Now it happened, as Jesus sat at the table in the house, that behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Him and His disciples. 11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
12 When Jesus heard that, He said to them, “Those who are well have no nee ...[text shortened]... hem, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Matthew 9
28 Oct 08
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Originally posted by PawnokeyholeDo you mean "ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God?"
And it's not insulting and sarcastic for a theist to accuse all atheists of a serious moral defect?
I thought I saw the word ALL there, meaning theists and non-theists alike.
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by josephwLet's try something. If you were to run into the five most difficult persons or as you say "enemies of God" from Redhotpawn at Burger King, how would you relate to them? Can you give sort of an account of how that encounter might go from your perspective?
I made no such accusation.
If one believes there is "no God", but there is, then by definition that one is an enemy of God.
I do not make this assertion for the purpose of being sarcastic or insulting. I am simply stating the obivious.
In addition, I do not believe atheists are moraly defective any more than theists. The only difference between the ...[text shortened]... His son for eternal life, and subsequently learns how to live a life that reflects Godliness.
28 Oct 08
Originally posted by josephwYou are simply mistaken. Someone can believe that X does not exist without being an enemy of X, even if X exists. For example, I don't believe that Zeus exists. Even if he did exist, I still wouldn't be his enemy. I don't take the Zeus issue seriously enough to be Zeus's enemy.
I made no such accusation.
If one believes there is "no God", but there is, then by definition that one is an enemy of God.
I do not make this assertion for the purpose of being sarcastic or insulting. I am simply stating the obivious.
In addition, I do not believe atheists are moraly defective any more than theists. The only difference between the ...[text shortened]... His son for eternal life, and subsequently learns how to live a life that reflects Godliness.
Usually, when someone claims that another person is an enemy of X, and that someone is very much a friend X themselves, then that someone is making an accusation. Are you implying that the term "enemy" somehow lacks evaluative connotations?
I am glad to hear that you regard theists and atheists as equally moral. It's a refreshingly charitable view.
28 Oct 08
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Originally posted by gaychessplayerI'm wondering where you get the figure of 80% and was it arrived at objectively. Without doing the numbers against a predefined set of criteria I don't think I would like to bandy about a particular figure.
After having been a participant on the Spirituality Forum for some time, I've noticed that about 80% of the posts that contain sarcasm and personal attacks are posted by atheists and agnostics.
In any event, has anyone made a similar observation, or am I just chock-full-of-it (as usual)?
This may be a case of only noticing the ones that support our preconceived conclusion, which is something that everyone has a predeliction for.
I think it is quite possible that we are debating something based on a false premise. I suspect the real number is likely to be far closer to 50% than you think. It may even be less than that. I am sure I have seen a significant number of sarcastic comments and personal attacks going in the other direction, though I would not care to suggest what proportion.
--- Penguin.
29 Oct 08
Originally posted by josephwhere here
You hit the nail on the head.
The question then, is why?
Why do the atheists feel the need to be sarcastic and insulting to the theist?
The answer is because there is a God, and because they don't know God, by definition, they (atheists) are the enemy of God.
Doesn't sound like much fun, but that's the way it is.
29 Oct 08
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie'Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have?
who said anything about friends? 2 Corinthians 6:14, 'Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what sharing does light have with darkness? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever? And what agreement does God’s temple have with idols?', now that we understand each other, how are you ?
Yes, what business would an upstanding, righteous person have in extending fellowship toward those who don't share his religious beliefs (aka, the lawless). That would just be crazy.
29 Oct 08
Originally posted by josephwIf one believes there is "no God", but there is, then by definition that one is an enemy of God.
I made no such accusation.
If one believes there is "no God", but there is, then by definition that one is an enemy of God.
I do not make this assertion for the purpose of being sarcastic or insulting. I am simply stating the obivious.
In addition, I do not believe atheists are moraly defective any more than theists. The only difference between the ...[text shortened]... His son for eternal life, and subsequently learns how to live a life that reflects Godliness.
Huh?