Anti evolutionists

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i accept that it isn't!

Well, then you're not a mainstream Christian. 😛

Originally posted by Palynka
By the very nature of allegories, the question itself is misleading. The allegory doesn't need to be scientifically accurate to have value. In that sense, belief in both is compatible.

It was posed to someone who apparently doesn't believe that the creation story of Genesis is an allegory.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
It was posed to someone who apparently doesn't believe that the creation story of Genesis is an allegory.

Sorry. 😳

Originally posted by black beetle
Is it a ...straight line?
😵

Okay, that was funny.
Kelly 😉

Originally posted by Palynka
Most Christians I know accept evolution. I have no doubt that it is compatible with most mainstream forms of Christianity.

I was just hoping josephw could simply accept that it isn't incompatible.

I believe in evolution, I just do not accept it in the same way many
of those who claim to believe in it do.
Kelly

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
if i may, i don't agree with your 3. intelligent design doesn't have as consequence that creation is perfect. after all, death of living organisms is an obvious flaw, so if we hold creationism to be true, god from the start created flawed organisms.

also, the consequence of darwinism of imperfect beings appearing is really irrelevant. darwinism doesn't ...[text shortened]... nt of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong."

…intelligent design doesn't have as consequence that creation is perfect.,.….

If what you mean by “intelligent design” is intelligent design by god, then doesn’t saying that god created an imperfect design imply that the intellect of god is finite or even imperfect? -why else would he create imperfection?

…after all, death of living organisms is an obvious flaw,.….

But what isn’t so obvious is how to prevent that “flaw“.
Would you say “god” didn’t know how to prevent that “flaw“?
-or would you say “god” deliberately designed us with that flaw and- if so, why? -and more importantly, is that the same reason why he gave us a blind spot despite the fact that how to prevent a blind spot is obvious?

If I was designing a car, I wouldn’t know how to design it so that it would never wear out and last forever. But, if I did, then I may do so but only if I thought that would be a good thing.
BUT, even I would know that putting the electrical connections leading to the light bulb in the headlights in front of the bulbs themselves (instead of behind them) thus making the electrical leads partly block the light coming out of them would be an obvious and totally pointless, stupid and unnecessary design flaw from every point of view -just like a “god” putting the blood vessels in front of our retinas (instead of behind them) so to partly block the light coming in -which ever way you look at it, that would be a stupid thing to do and so I don’t think you can compare that with the fact that we eventually die (if that is what you are doing here) for that reason.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The point about theories dying over time is well taken.

Your charity is commendable but I find robbiecarrobie's persistent refusal to address rebuttals of his argument annoying in the extreme. I would limit myself to one pint with him and then go to another table.

lol, beer is for pansies my friend, if you sat down at a table at all with us scots you would be lucky to make it up off your bum never mind to the next table, afterwards you may decide to do either the butterfly stroke or the back crawl home!😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Nope, robbie🙂

A whole complex of sciences supports the theory of the evolution due to sientif facts and evidence. This theory is the best we have today regarding the evolution of the species, and this is the reason why it is accepted by so many scientific fields, by philosophers and by scientists. And, I assure you, the very moment that a single fac ...[text shortened]... whole scientific community will take asap the new direction. No ultimate truth, nothing holy 😵

do you really think so beetle dude!, well no doubt we shall examine the 'evidence', in the course of events, but for now, enough of these wordly cares, for no doubt you and all the other dudes reflect the sentiments of our national poet Robert Burns

There's no but care on every hand
In every hour that passes oh
That signifies the life of man
and twere not for the lassies oh

-Chorus-

Green grow the rushes oh
Green grow the rushes oh
The sweetest hours that e're I spent
Were spent among the lassies oh

The wordly race may riches chase
And riches still may fly them oh
And when at last they catch them fast
Their hearts can ne'er enjoy them oh

Give me a quiet hour at e'en
My arms around my dearie oh
And warly cares and warly men
May a gae topsy-turvy oh

For you so grave you sneer at this
You're no but senseless asses oh
The wisest man the world e'er saw
Dearly loved the lassies oh

rejoice my friend with your wife and have a wee dram or twa and may your heart be filled with gladness and good cheer! till we meet again, pistols at dawn, for the honor of gentlemanly debate!

(e'en - evening, warly - wordly, gae - go, ne'er - never, twere - were, e'er - ever)

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, that was funny.
Kelly 😉

Have a good time KellyJay🙂

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
do you really think so beetle dude!, well no doubt we shall examine the 'evidence', in the course of events, but for now, enough of these wordly cares, for no doubt you and all the other dudes reflect the sentiments of our national poet Robert Burns

There's no but care on every hand
In every hour that passes oh
That signifies the life of man
an ...[text shortened]...
(e'en - evening, warly - wordly, gae - go, ne'er - never, twere - were, e'er - ever)

Yeap, Burns is superb, and them lassies are fine, and lucky me I enjoy the best one around since '96!

If I ever come to Bonnie Scotland you will set a Burns supper with haggis and kilts and bagpipe and all ye leggedy beastie (I 'll bring the malt)
😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Yeap, Burns is superb, and them lassies are fine, and lucky me I enjoy the best one around since '96!

If I ever come to Bonnie Scotland you will set a Burns supper with haggis and kilts and bagpipe and all ye leggedy beastie (I 'll bring the malt)
😵

i shall have one of these ready made for you beetle dude

http://girlaboutlondon.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/scottish-bar-stool/

😵

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe in evolution, I just do not accept it in the same way many
of those who claim to believe in it do.
Kelly

In what sense do you believe in it? If I remember correctly, you do not believe that man descends from primates (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Although that is not your personal belief, do you believe that such a possibility is also incompatible with the account in Genesis?

Originally posted by Palynka
In what sense do you believe in it? If I remember correctly, you do not believe that man descends from primates (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Although that is not your personal belief, do you believe that such a possibility is also incompatible with the account in Genesis?

To evolve does not have to mean to get better, it can be get worse.
I see in this universe things wearing down much more than I see
them improving. It stands to reason that if life were changing that
would be the trend with it too.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
To evolve does not have to mean to get better, it can be get worse.
I see in this universe things wearing down much more than I see
them improving. It stands to reason that if life were changing that
would be the trend with it too.
Kelly

Evolutionists know that quite well that not everything gets 'better', some mutations that are passed on because they are not lethal but causes some problem for the life form in question, they know that happens but that kind of thing is in the minority of mutations. Besides, a lot of what happens in evolution is not from mutations, random stuff, it actually involves intelligence but not the kind you envision. It is intelligence from within the life form itself, when stressed, DNA can respond to the stress in selective expression of genes that counter the stress. That may be a key thing you don't understand about evolution, you have a much too simplistic view of it all. DNA is a kind of computer in its own right, it responds to the environment. Another thing that goes on in DNA is insertion of viral and bacterial genes which are passed on and then becomes part of the gene structure of a form, humans have lots of examples of this and it really has shaken up the DNA community, finding out bacterial DNA can make lateral moves right into our DNA. Things are a LOT more complex on the DNA level than anyone ever thought up to now but they are learning more each day directly related to the ability now to fully decode DNA. That is only the first step however, the next advance is figuring out what all the proteins do that are manufactured by DNA and individual cells. It's a subject so complex it is taking hundreds of years to unravel but it is being done and in another 50 years there will be a much deeper understanding of life in general and maybe even allowing us to make life from non-life, much as you would hate to swallow that one.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i accept that it isn't!

Then, to quote a very famous person from the Bible, "You have erred...." 😀