24 Feb 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOn the contrary, there is none at all. Not any. Whereas there is mountains of historical evidence that it was a political football for hundreds of years and imposed on Christendom in some kind of dogma powerplay.
there is much evidence that the book is [divinely] inspired
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the very first prophecy uttered in scripture finds its fulfillment in the book of revelation
If this is the kind of "evidence" that leads you to believe that the Book of Revelations is "genuine", then all I can say is that you are exactly the kind of person - with exactly the kind of mindmap - that the ecclesiastical charlatans were seeking to suck in.
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Originally posted by FMFon the contrary to your on the contrary, there is zillions of evidence, although it may take some time to gather, however i do not deny that some unscrupulous individuals may have used the book to promote dogma, this was in times of ignorance though, but we are living in different times now, we have freedom to examine the contents for ourselves, to make reasoned judgments with what we can glean culturally, historically, through archeology and science etc and thus we can compare different texts, why should some ecclesiastical all encompassing megalith define our stance, we have our own minds and can think for ourselves! so on the contrary, rather than being duped, i feel privileged and liberated, please do not let what has happened in the past also influence you appreciation for this marvelous book
On the contrary, there is none at all. Not any. Whereas there is mountains of historical evidence that it was a political football for hundreds of years and imposed on Christendom in some kind of dogma powerplay.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b]the very first prophecy uttered in scripture finds its fulfillment in the book of revelation
th exactly the kind of mindmap - that the ecclesiastical charlatans were seeking to suck in.[/b]
i leave you with a thought
revelation 21:3,4
With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
the land of the new rising sun my friend, is it not beautiful?
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the very first prophecy uttered in scripture finds its fulfillment in the book of revelation
I'm going to write a book where I make the prophesy that Timmy the turtle made of sweaty socks will turn into a turnip. I shall then write another book a few years later such that I may fulfill this prophecy for Timmy as I write it.
By your logic this would prove there existed a turtle made out of sweaty socks.
24 Feb 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDon't be silly. Your "certainty" is not "evidence". Please.
there is zillions of evidence [that it's divinely inspired]
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i do not deny that some unscrupulous individuals may have used the book to promote dogma, this was in times of ignorance though, but we are living in different times now, we have freedom to examine the contents for ourselves
Why?
Do you examine conterfeit money for some signs that it may be partly real?
24 Feb 09
Originally posted by Agerglol, what a buffoon, the first prophecy was regarded as being written in the book of genesis almost 3000 years before its fulfillment was written in the book or revelation, even by your standards little Timmys socks would have decomposed and become food for his turnip, have you ever thought of writing for Mills and Boon?
[b]the very first prophecy uttered in scripture finds its fulfillment in the book of revelation
I'm going to write a book where I make the prophesy that Timmy the turtle made of sweaty socks will turn into a turnip. I shall then write another book a few years later such that I may fulfill this prophecy for Timmy as I write it.
By your logic this would prove there existed a turtle made out of sweaty socks.[/b]
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Originally posted by FMFoh FMF, what can i say, how would i know if the money was counterfeit or otherwise unless i examined for myself in the first place.
Don't be silly. Your "certainty" is not "evidence". Please.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
[b] i do not deny that some unscrupulous individuals may have used the book to promote dogma, this was in times of ignorance though, but we are living in different times now, we have freedom to examine the contents for ourselves
Why?
Do you examine conterfeit money for some signs that it may be partly real?[/b]
why, because it is well known and understood that the church was guilty of the most gross and inhumane practices which had their basis in ignorance! Some of which you have mentioned e.g. its insistence that the Bible remain in Latin, where attempts were made to translate into the vernacular the translators were perused, captured and suffered horrific deaths.
24 Feb 09
Originally posted by FMFI guess you are contributing a whole lot .. by copying and pasting the writings of others. At least give them the credit.
Doesn't look like you're going to be contributing anything worthwhile to this discussion if this post is anything to go by. I mean, what in heaven's name is "internal evidence"?
If youre not John Ralston Saul, then you are a stupid little child claiming to write stuff and take credit for other peoples work. When are you going to grow up. A couple years ago I caught you writing stuff about Cuba which were clearly other peoples ideas.
Almost everything in some of your posts are taken verbatim from The Unconscious Civilization by John Ralston Saul
http://www.dhushara.com/book/multinet/saul.html
I like the "Coffe'd up, I shall continue" touch. Thats nice. Gives everyone the impression you need to get some coffee to continue your thoughts when it was just a copy and paste job. ... 😀
24 Feb 09
Originally posted by Rajk999i knew poor ol FMF would be toast before too long!
I guess you are contributing a whole lot .. by copying and pasting the writings of others. At least give them the credit.
If youre not John Ralston Saul, then you are a stupid little child claiming to write stuff and take credit for other peoples work. When are you going to grow up. A couple years ago I caught you writing stuff about Cuba which were clear ...[text shortened]... ed to get some coffee to continue your thoughts when it was just a copy and paste job. ... 😀
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieno...your ramblings would make you the buffoon, you didn't get the point (unsurprisingly)
lol, what a buffoon, the first prophecy was regarded as being written in the book of genesis almost 3000 years before its fulfillment was written in the book or revelation, even by your standards little Timmys socks would have decomposed and become food for his turnip, have you ever thought of writing for Mills and Boon?
24 Feb 09
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Originally posted by FMF=======================
The whole thing, jaywill. The entire Book. Didn't you understand my two posts? Why would I go through it verse by verse? The whole thing was clearly written by charlatans, for charlatans' purposes, and added to the New Testament almost 400 years after Christ died. What each verse says is immaterial. The "John" who wrote it presents the most risible 'credentials which is what this cynical imposter of a book is.
Are you going to offer a rebuttal?
Are you going to offer a rebuttal?
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I will respond as soon as I can give it the time latter today.
I'll sift through your question begging and tactics to reframe your complaint to another subject - textural criticism, and speak to what you write which bears directly on your objection, ie. selfserving charlatans wrote Revelation.
The first chapter is what we are examining at the moment.
So far you have taken refuge in very vague and broad brushed generalization. I think you are afraid to pin point exactly what sentences reveal the writer as a "charlatan".
Also, you speak of the words of Jesus which are clear and have circulated over the world. But some of the words of Jesus which are still hard to understand and interpret even to this day have also circulated around the world.
This complaint amounts to "What I do not understand, Jesus didn't say."
I'll get back to you. But simply ascerting and question begging the matter which you have been asked to prove, will not do.
"I don't have to point out any passage. It is all obviously written by a charlaton."
That will never do as evidence. I need time to see your other posts.
24 Feb 09
Originally posted by AgergNo, i merely glanced at your post, for they are so often filled vitriolic diatribe i could not bring myself to read it with any constancy, but merely scanned it quickly as one would lick a 9v battery and gleaning two words timothy and turnip assumed you must be a childrens story book writer, Did you write The Enormous Turnip?
you contradict yourself (though I doubt you understand how)
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieis "The Enormous Turnip" a codename for the yet to be released "Newer Testament"?
No, i merely glanced at your post, for they are so often filled vitriolic diatribe i could not bring myself to read it with any constancy, but merely scanned it quickly as one would lick a 9v battery and gleaning two words timothy and turnip assumed you must be a childrens story book writer, Did you write The Enormous Turnip?
Secondly, do you lick windows as well as batteries?
Thirdly, my posts are not full of vitriol, they are full of love.
Fourthly, you mentioned socks, implies you gleaned more than two words
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Originally posted by Agergno you must have inserted a subliminal message in your post so that when i blinked at it, it entered my subconscious and was reproduced involuntarily in the reply. yes i lick windows for a living, and the enormous turnip is about this giant turnip that no one can pull out of the ground, so grandma asks grandfather, grandfather asks the boy, the boy asks, the girl, the girls asks the dog, the dog asks the cat, the cats asks the rabbit, the rabbit asks the budgie, and altogether they pull out the enormous turnip and eat it for dinner.
is "The Enormous Turnip" a codename for the yet to be released "Newer Testament"?
Secondly, do you lick windows as well as batteries?
Thirdly, my posts are not full of vitriol, they are full of love.
Fourthly, you mentioned socks, implies you gleaned more than two words