08 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayI agree completely. An expression of faith is just words. Good works is the proof that your faith is true. Hence the reason why Christ placed so much emphasis on it. He knew that human nature tries to take the easy way out. Good works is very difficult to do and its the main thing on which we will be judged.
Anyone can claim to be anything; anyone can belong to any denomination,
anyone can belong to any organization, words are just words. If someone
cannot love their brother who they see, who has needs they can meet, or
who they can help in some way they do not love God who they don't see.
What is authentic will show itself to be true, that which is false will too.
Kelly
Everything I say can be backed up with clear statements by Christ... [ I hope you can say that as well]
08 May 11
Originally posted by Rajk999I've never condemed anyone for doing good deeds.
How much of what you are saying here is clearly supported by the words of Christ?
I notice you make sweeping statements which have very little, if any support from Christ or Paul for that matter. This is why I asked you if you are guilty of doing the same thing which you accuse the JWs of doing - making laws which are not in the Bible.
For example you ...[text shortened]... way you do) for doing good deeds so that they will get salvation. Can you provide such a verse ?
Kelly
08 May 11
Originally posted by Rajk999I've said you have to have a relationship with Christ, following teaching along
How much of what you are saying here is clearly supported by the words of Christ?
I notice you make sweeping statements which have very little, if any support from Christ or Paul for that matter. This is why I asked you if you are guilty of doing the same thing which you accuse the JWs of doing - making laws which are not in the Bible.
For example you ...[text shortened]... way you do) for doing good deeds so that they will get salvation. Can you provide such a verse ?
is not enough.
Kelly
08 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayI have read and understood what Kelly said.
I've said you have to have a relationship with Christ, following teaching along
is not enough.
Kelly
Does what Kelly said match with what Christ said?
If so please provide a passage where Christ supports your statement .."following the teachings of Christ is not enough"
If you cannot provide one then you are clearly as guilty as are the JWs in fabricating your own doctrines.
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Originally posted by Rajk999I've already given scripture on this, where people on judgment day will be
I have read and understood what Kelly said.
Does what Kelly said match with what Christ said?
If so please provide a passage where Christ supports your statement .."following the teachings of Christ is not enough"
If you cannot provide one then you are clearly as guilty as are the JWs in fabricating your own doctrines.
standing before Jesus and tell Him that in His name they did a great many
things. You must be born again, you must have a relationship with God in
Christ, if you do not have the Spirit of God, what than are you left with?
I suggest you read Jesus' words in John 3 on being born again.
Kelly
09 May 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadI wonder to what sect of Christianity did Lt. William Lou Calley, perpetrator of the infamous My Lai massacre during Vietnam war belonged. Also Gen. Dyer,killer of several hundred in Jallianwala Bag massacre in British India.
You need to separate the actions of Christians from the organizations they belong to. They are not synonymous.
09 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayYou quoted a passage which said that there are some who will claim to have done good works but their works were not what Christ said to do. Christ called them workers of iniquity.
I've already given scripture on this, where people on judgment day will be
standing before Jesus and tell Him that in His name they did a great many
things. You must be born again, you must have a relationship with God in
Christ, if you do not have the Spirit of God, what than are you left with?
I suggest you read Jesus' words in John 3 on being born again.
Kelly
How do you go from that verse to claiming that following the teachings of Christ is not enough?
09 May 11
Originally posted by Rajk999You must believe in your heart, you must be born again, this isn't some new
You quoted a passage which said that there are some who will claim to have done good works but their works were not what Christ said to do. Christ called them workers of iniquity.
How do you go from that verse to claiming that following the teachings of Christ is not enough?
teaching! The point of being a Christian isn't living a good life, that is a by
product, it is restoring a relationship with God in Christ.
Kelly
09 May 11
Originally posted by Rajk999I quoted you a passage of things Jesus and many of His followers did that were
You quoted a passage which said that there are some who will claim to have done good works but their works were not what Christ said to do. Christ called them workers of iniquity.
How do you go from that verse to claiming that following the teachings of Christ is not enough?
done by those guys, who were rejected, but it wasn't due to the works they
did, but fact they did not know Jesus.
Kelly
09 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayCan you explain then why Christ said over and over that he is going to judge according your works?
You must believe in your heart, you must be born again, this isn't some new
teaching! The point of being a Christian isn't living a good life, that is a by
product, it is restoring a relationship with God in Christ.
Kelly
Those how do good works gets salvation and those who do not - get damnation?
Ops .. sorry .. you dont believe in what Christ said !
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieSO, just what is the will of the Father that one must do in order to have eternal life?
I think I have stated quite clearly that eternal life is a gift, it cannot be earned, yet the
Christ himself states that it is the one doing the will of the father that will see life!
09 May 11
Originally posted by josephw(John 17:3) . . .This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. . .
SO, just what is the will of the Father that one must do in order to have eternal life?
09 May 11
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Originally posted by jaywillAs i stated to Doward i am done with haters, if you want to know anything about
Jehovah Witnesses and Mental Illness -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO-b65W-zQs&feature=related
Is there any truth to this Robbie ?
Jehovahs Witnesses, here is the only official site, watchtower.org, you can write
to them if you are interested, they will write back. If you want to discuss the Bible
with me you may do so, but i will not respond to any more lies, slander and
defamation of character, propaganda, hatred, prejudice, fabrication of events and vile
accusations. As a member of my family is suffering from a mental illness through no
fault of their own, i will also freely answer any questions based on my personal
experience, within the scope of spirituality and what Biblical principles one might apply
to practically help.
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Haters ?
I hate false doctrines. I have no hate at all for those deceived by them.
A History of Russell's predictions and publications from the point of view of one researcher.
(No. I do not automatically assume everything on YouTube or Internet is 100% accurate ). As of yet I have no reason to not find credible some of this presentation.
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