10 May 11
Originally posted by SuzianneI still say fear not, God is with you. You cannot stop what is going to happen,
That's right, Robbie. Did I not say most will fail, regardless of what is written in scripture?
If you ask me why I am afraid, it must be because you still do not get how bad it will be. Yes, at the end, He will be with me, and that is how I will "endure unto the end". When Satan finally turns his eye to me, I am not thinking it will be a party. It w ...[text shortened]... ls who do still think it will be a party, for those are the ones who will be lost at the end.
and Satan has already been dogging your tails your whole life. Don't give that
defeated creature the ability to make you afraid. You are much loved by God
and no matter what happens in this life, that is not something all the devils
together can change.
Kelly
10 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayindeed,
I still say fear not, God is with you. You cannot stop what is going to happen,
and Satan has already been dogging your tails your whole life. Don't give that
defeated creature the ability to make you afraid. You are much loved by God
and no matter what happens in this life, that is not something all the devils
together can change.
Kelly
(Romans 8:35-39) . . .Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation
or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? Just as it is
written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long, we have been
accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” To the contrary, in all these things we are
coming off completely victorious through him that loved us. For I am convinced that
neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to
come nor powers nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate
us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
10 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI agree this scripture says it all!
indeed,
(Romans 8:35-39) . . .Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation
or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? Just as it is
written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long, we have been
accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” To the contrary, in all these things we are ...[text shortened]... y other creation will be able to separate
us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Kelly
10 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobie🙂 Another thing we agree on; however, we are frail creatures and our strenght
mmm, i am not very happy about this, a Christian should not be scared of the future.
limited, but God is faithful. When we stumble He is faithful, and He has given
us each other too. We are never alone though that is what Satan would have
us think, He wants to think that we are cut off from God, that His love, grace,
and mercy are not enough, Satan is a liar and God is faithful.
Kelly
10 May 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow do you decide what is established scientific fact?
actually creationism simply interprets established scientific data and makes room for
intelligence, it does not seek to establish its own, as you my friend are very well aware!
Does it agree with my religious beliefs?! Well then it is a scientific fact.
Does it disagree with my religious beliefs?! Well then it isn't a scientific fact.
Full marks for simplicity.
10 May 11
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Originally posted by Proper Knobscience does, for example one gathers data through observation, then one interprets
How do you decide what is established scientific fact?
Does it agree with my religious beliefs?! Well then it is a scientific fact.
Does it disagree with my religious beliefs?! Well then it isn't a scientific fact.
Full marks for simplicity.
that data, elementary my dear Noobster, elementary!
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Originally posted by Proper KnobSo you believe that there is nothing that evolution is not able to build, it can do
Forgive me while i chuckle.
anything no matter what given enough time? There isn't anything beyond
outlandish, no wall of beyond probability? If you think there is a wall of
probability what isn't reasonable that evolution cannot do? If you cannot think
of anything, I'd say you have a lot of "faith" not science.
Kelly
10 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayEvolution cannot create nor destroy mass-energy. Organisms that travel faster than light cannot come to be through evolution. Organisms that decrease entropy cannot exist.
If you think there is a wall of probability what isn't reasonable that evolution cannot do? If you cannot think of anything, I'd say you have a lot of "faith" not science.
Kelly
10 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayHe never said/implied that evolution can do “anything” (incidentally, he didn't even mention “evolution” ).
So you believe that there is nothing that evolution is not able to build, it can do
anything no matter what given enough time? There isn't anything beyond
outlandish, no wall of beyond probability? If you think there is a wall of
probability what isn't reasonable that evolution cannot do? If you cannot think
of anything, I'd say you have a lot of "faith" not science.
Kelly
Evolution can credibly create and did create all the complexity of life we see today -science has already proven this.
Neither he nor anyone else here would say/imply that, for example, biological evolution can create a car (complete with wheels, gearbox and the metal in its metallic parts) -so none of us are saying evolution can do “anything”.
10 May 11
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungYes, and nobody here claims/believes that evolution can.
Evolution cannot create nor destroy mass-energy. Organisms that travel faster than light cannot come to be through evolution. Organisms that decrease entropy cannot exist.
10 May 11
Originally posted by KellyJayI think evolution fully obeys the laws of probability. What it does not do, is obey laws of probability that do not apply to it ie no strawmen.
There isn't anything beyond outlandish, no wall of beyond probability?
The laws of probability also suggest that evolution cannot lead to something that requires large numbers of multiple simultaneous mutations. This is the argument usually used by proponents of ID. Where I believe they tend to go wrong is when it comes to deciding whether or not a given currently existing system could arise via a series of non simultaneous mutations or whether it requires multiple simultaneous mutations.
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamiltonscience has already proven this??? how has science proven it? are you claiming that
He never said/implied that evolution can do “anything” (incidentally, he didn't even mention “evolution” ).
Evolution can credibly create and did create all the complexity of life we see today -science has already proven this.
Neither he nor anyone else here would say/imply that, for example, biological evolution can create a car (complete with whe ...[text shortened]... box and the metal in its metallic parts) -so none of us are saying evolution can do “anything”.
evolution is responsible for the emergence of life as well as the diversification of life,
how has science proven it? why can you not create life now if science has proven it? It
should be fairly easy after all, or are we to presume that technology is not up to the
task, yet mother nature was? Any one that denies there is intelligence and design
within living structures and systems doesn't know what they are talking about. They
are delusional.
Take for example the stealth capabilities of the owls feathers. We are supposed to
believe that this amazing design was created from excessive scales on some reptile
and eventually evolved into the awesome design that we can observe today. Did all
the noisy owls die off leaving only the ones with stealth capability? Its a nonsense
when you examine it, evolution explains nothing!
The most unique adaptation of Owl feathers is the comb-like or fimbriate
(fringe-like) leading edge of the primary wing feathers referred to as "flutings" or
"fimbriae". With a normal bird in flight, air rushes over the surface of the wing,
creating turbulence, which makes a gushing noise. With an Owl's wing, the
comb-like feather edge breaks down the turbulence into little groups called micro-
turbulences. This effectively muffles the sound of the air rushing over the wing
surface and allows the Owl to fly silently. There is also an alternate theory that the
flutings actually shift the sound energy created by the wingbeats to a higher
frequency spectrum, where most creatures (including prey and humans) cannot
hear.
designed for sure!
http://www.owlpages.com/articles.php?section=Owl+Physiology&title=Feathers