05 Jun 10
Dispensations
The six dispensations of human history can be seen along the following lines:
Age of the Gentile. From the creation of Adam until the Exodus of Israel from Egypt, roughly 1441 B.C.
Age of Israel. From the Exodus until around 4, possibly 5 B.C.
Hypostatic Union. The first Advent of Christ, lasting until A.D. 30, the capstone culminating with the ascension of Christ to the right hand of God.
Church Age. From Pentecost forward, describing the current administration of God toward man. Very, very cool.
Tribulation. Initiating with the Rapture of the Church and lasting until ushering in of the Millennium. Dates unknown.
Millennium. The Thousand-Year Reign of Christ, the "Your will be done" portion of man's history, just prior to the Last Judgment, destruction of the current universe, as well as creation of the New Jerusalem.
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08 Jun 10
Originally posted by Bosse de NageDispensation refers to the administrative policies of any given period, and specifically how God deals with man. As we are in the midst of human history, our first point of reference are those applicable to us. Prior to our arrival on the scene, we are told that God interacted with the angelic realm, so it is assumed there were dispensations associated with His dealings over whatever eons of time that relationship was intact.
Question first. What do you mean by 'dispensation' and 'dispensations of human history'?
Following our time on the stage, i.e., after these listed here, the final dispensation will be initiated.
08 Jun 10
It may outline particular religious events but this is no way a history of man.
What about something like birth of awareness/communication
Animal husbandry/domestication/agriculture starting of town/civilization
Advent of technology age
These are bit more open ended and tend to be more relevant towards a larger majority of man
08 Jun 10
Originally posted by ua41The dispensations as listed are from the biblical standpoint. Sorry for any confusion.
It may outline particular religious events but this is no way a history of man.
What about something like birth of awareness/communication
Animal husbandry/domestication/agriculture starting of town/civilization
Advent of technology age
These are bit more open ended and tend to be more relevant towards a larger majority of man
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHI have always understood there were 8 Administrations and were thus:
Dispensations
The six dispensations of human history can be seen along the following lines:
[b]Age of the Gentile. From the creation of Adam until the Exodus of Israel from Egypt, roughly 1441 B.C.
Age of Israel. From the Exodus until around 4, possibly 5 B.C.
Hypostatic Union. The first Advent of Christ, lasting until A.D. , destruction of the current universe, as well as creation of the New Jerusalem.
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1. Original Paradise (Creation to the Fall)
2. Conscience (the Fall to the Flood)
3. Civil Government (the Flood to the Mosaic Law)
4. The Mosaic Law (the Mosaic Law to Pentecost)
5. The Administration of the Grace of God, also called the Administration of the Sacred Secret (Pentecost to the Rapture)
6. Tribulation (the Rapture to the end of the Battle of Armageddon)
7. Paradise, or Christ’s Millennial Kingdom (1,000 years)
8. Everlasting Kingdom (after the Millennial Kingdom it will last forever)
We are currently at #5
08 Jun 10
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Originally posted by checkbaiter6 dispensations, 8 administrations, whatever. Isn't it interesting how man is more than willing to make the Bible take whatever shape he deems necessary to attempt to reconcile the incoherence whilst ignoring the fact that none these "explanations" were taught by Jesus while He walked the earth? Perhaps He was unaware of them or did not think them important. Or most likely, they are the product of imagination.
I have always understood there were 8 Administrations and were thus:
1. Original Paradise (Creation to the Fall)
2. Conscience (the Fall to the Flood)
3. Civil Government (the Flood to the Mosaic Law)
4. The Mosaic Law (the Mosaic Law to Pentecost)
5. The Administration of the Grace of God, also called the Administration of the ...[text shortened]... verlasting Kingdom (after the Millennial Kingdom it will last forever)
We are currently at #5
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08 Jun 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneHere are 4 verses that refer to dispensation, note in the KJV, the word stewardship is dispensation. You can verify with any concordance. As far as Jesus, He quoted the scriptures all the time, He didn't teach everything. He left us a command to be workers of Gods word, to search out the scriptures to see if these things are so.
6 dispensations, 8 administrations, whatever. Isn't it interesting how man is more than willing to make the Bible take whatever shape he deems necessary to attempt to reconcile the incoherence whilst ignoring the fact that none these "explanations" were taught by Jesus while He walked the earth? Perhaps He was unaware of them or did not think them important. Or most likely, they are the product of imagination.
Eph 3:2
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
(NKJ)
Eph 1:10
10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-- in Him.
(NKJ)
1 Cor 9:17
17 For if I do this willingly, I have a reward; but if against my will, I have been entrusted with a stewardship.
(NKJ)
Col 1:25
25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,
(NKJ)
09 Jun 10
Originally posted by checkbaiterAsk yourself if Jesus ever endorsed the 4 verses that you cited as the word of God.
Here are 4 verses that refer to dispensation, note in the KJV, the word stewardship is dispensation. You can verify with any concordance. As far as Jesus, He quoted the scriptures all the time, He didn't teach everything. He left us a command to be workers of Gods word, to search out the scriptures to see if these things are so.
Eph 3:2
2 if ind ...[text shortened]... g to the stewardship from God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God,
(NKJ)
Ask yourself if the scriptures that Jesus quoted ever included the New Testament.
When Jesus was explaining to people what was necessary to become one with God, how to have eternal life / heaven / salvation, etc., is it your contention that He didn't teach them everything they needed to know?
You should also consider that, for the most part, the examples you cited amount to self-proclamation of "dispensation" / "stewardship".
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHOK. Well, it seems to me you're either correct or incorrect.
Dispensation refers to the administrative policies of any given period, and specifically how God deals with man. As we are in the midst of human history, our first point of reference are those applicable to us. Prior to our arrival on the scene, we are told that God interacted with the angelic realm, so it is assumed there were dispensations associated w ...[text shortened]... our time on the stage, i.e., after these listed here, the final dispensation will be initiated.
Assuming you're correct, what then?
Why is the Church age very cool?
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09 Jun 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneYou do not understand dispensation. When the day of Pentecost came, the Grace admin. began. This was kept secret through out the Old Testament and the Gospels. What God revealed is much better than anything in either the old test. or the gospels.
Ask yourself if Jesus ever endorsed the 4 verses that you cited as the word of God.
Ask yourself if the scriptures that Jesus quoted ever included the New Testament.
When Jesus was explaining to people what was necessary to become one with God, how to have eternal life / heaven / salvation, etc., is it your contention that He didn't teach them ever ...[text shortened]... part, the examples you cited amount to self-proclamation of "dispensation" / "stewardship".
09 Jun 10
Originally posted by checkbaiterYou say it was "kept secret". Who revealed this "secret" and when? Why didn't Jesus?
You do not understand dispensation. When the day of Pentecost came, the Grace admin. began. This was kept secret through out the Old Testament and the Gospels. What God revealed is much better than anything in either the old test. or the gospels.
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09 Jun 10
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThe apostle Paul in the church epistles...
You say it was "kept secret". Who revealed this "secret" and when? Why didn't Jesus?
Jesus could not go against the will of the Father...
But here are the ramifications...
1 Cor 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(NKJ)
09 Jun 10
Originally posted by checkbaiterto everyone
The apostle Paul in the church epistles...
Jesus could not go against the will of the Father...
But here are the ramifications...
1 Cor 2:7-8
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
(NKJ)
the bis secret, or the hidden wisdom that the church,s keep to themselves is>
we are already eternal beings one with god, and there is no need to seek out the church for any kind of salvation whatsoever, but if people new this, then the church would be out of business!
cheers vishvahetu