Being righteous, doing God's righteousness works.

@rajk999 said
Justify myself? How do I do that?

You compare yourself to others all of the time, claiming you follow Jesus and then go off on how others fall short, you claim you follow Jesus and point to a couple of scriptures that you think justify you over others. Hypocrite, you use scriptures to justify yourself and condemn others for using them, you twist the Word of God to make mean what you want instead of subjecting yourself to the Word of God, you do not go to the word to change your life to conform to the truth in scripture, seeking God through Christ and the Holy Spirit.

@medullah said
Hang on Kelly. We are debating your OP and the stuff that spins off from it. How else is anyone to do that without reference to the scriptures?

Furthermore we are dealing with a book that has most definitely been tinkered with; nuance can change with translation.

What you think the scriptures clearly say could easily vary to somebody else depending on what translation ...[text shortened]... s almost unheard of, and then they brought out "The Omen" and it seems to have taken off since then.

You see just a glimpse of a long-running conversation the two of us are having.

@medullah said
That is a very quite a moot point.

Christians are supposed to try and spread the word.

Mat 28: "19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

You ...[text shortened]... use people that disagree with your scriptual interpretation of being in league with the Anti-Christ.

I tend to disagree with that. It is always important when reading the bible to look at who is being addressed. Jesus here is speaking to his 11 disciples. When Jesus spoke to the thousands he never told anyone to go preach all over the world or even door to door. This instruction is specifically to those disciples [there were others as well, 70 I think], who were given the ability to heal the sick and do miracles.

Of course if you think of yourself as one of the chosen disciples and you can do miracles then by all means go preach all over the world and door to door. Personally I dont do that.

Jesus preached to the ordinary man to do these things
- love your neighbour
- live righteously
- be merciful
- make peace
These things are sufficient for eternal life.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Do you get the point that being a good neighbour isn't just about lending somebody a lawnmower? The Good Samaritan is about loving your neighbour (every neighbour) as you love yourself.

You also seem to be ignoring the part about the law of God being written on your heart, engraved into your very conscience. How is somebody, even a non believer, adhering to their G ...[text shortened]... pessimistic and dismissive attitude towards the human capacity to do good as thoroughly depressing.

Yes, its strange how these church Christian doctrines run completely opposite to Christ. Jesus preaching uplifted people, Jesus never told anyone they are filthy sinners, or that they cannot do anything good, or that good works are useless unless you profess faith. All these are fabrications of the church leaders designed to bring people down. These are doctrines of Satan not of Christ.

@rajk999 said
Yes, its strange how these church Christian doctrines run completely opposite to Christ. Jesus preaching uplifted people, Jesus never told anyone they are filthy sinners, or that they cannot do anything good, or that good works are useless unless you profess faith. All these are fabrications of the church leaders designed to bring people down. These are doctrines of Satan not of Christ.

It is strange how you set yourself apart from being called Christian when that comes from scripture, on top of your twisting of text and accusations of others.

@kellyjay said
It is strange how you set yourself apart from being called Christian when that comes from scripture, on top of your twisting of text and accusations of others.

Well you right about that. I do not aspire to be like you.

@rajk999 said
I tend to disagree with that. It is always important when reading the bible to look at who is being addressed. Jesus here is speaking to his 11 disciples. When Jesus spoke to the thousands he never told anyone to go preach all over the world or even door to door. This instruction is specifically to those disciples [there were others as well, 70 I think], who were given th ...[text shortened]... r
- live righteously
- be merciful
- make peace
These things are sufficient for eternal life.

No, it is the blood of Jesus Christ, it is our Savior who redeems us, it is Jesus our propitiation who is the Way, Truth, and Life. Those are things we do, but if we miss Christ, they are not sufficient they will be nothing but works done by man for whatever reason they chose to do them. If you don't believe in Christ you are condemned already, we are already dead in our sins, doing a few good works will not save us, if we are not abiding in Christ, if we are not walking with Him in His Spirit we do not belong Him. You must be born again, but you deny the Lord as you reject those things He said in scripture.

@rajk999 said
Well you right about that. I do not aspire to be like you.

You should be looking to Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Savior, you should be asking Him to forgive you of your sins, you should be asking Jesus to enter into you as your Sovereign Lord, giving you His Spirit so that you could worship Him in Spirit and truth, but you want to set up your own righteousness.

@divegeester said
Who are you talking to (Sir)?

Why do you do this always?

Someone says "we" or "us" and suddenly you're all over them about it, often for page after page until they answer you. You can't seem to just take a post meant as a throwaway out into the ether for people to think about, perhaps to internally examine how they might heed the lesson, but that's never good enough for you. You see every post as either "for you" or "against you". Here's a newsflash: most people aren't thinking about you every moment of their lives.

You're just like all those internet trolls out there who have to criticize everything. Someone posts a recipe for meatloaf passed down to them from their dear Nana, and there's always some jackass who has to post, "Hey, what if I can't stand gluten, you monster!" or put a teaspoon of molasses in something and several posts say, "Hey, creep, I'm diabetic, did you ever think of THAT?"

Just calm the F down and let people be. For a change. No one's hurting you. And almost no one gives a crap what you think. Certainly not enough for you to give them grief about it for the next fifteen pages.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-about-me-effect-tik-tok-bean-soup_l_6525a8d9e4b0102e6963c51b

@divegeester said
Who are you talking to (Sir)?

Anybody that was payoing attention sior, but it particular I was agreeing with you.

@suzianne said
Why do you do this always?

Someone says "we" or "us" and suddenly you're all over them about it, often for page after page until they answer you. You can't seem to just take a post meant as a throwaway out into the ether for people to think about, perhaps to internally examine how they might heed the lesson, but that's never good enough for you. You see every post as ei ...[text shortened]...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/what-about-me-effect-tik-tok-bean-soup_l_6525a8d9e4b0102e6963c51b

You seem to have an acrimonious personal agenda that makes you mostly incapable of talking about the thread topics in hand.

@rajk999 said
I tend to disagree with that. It is always important when reading the bible to look at who is being addressed. Jesus here is speaking to his 11 disciples. When Jesus spoke to the thousands he never told anyone to go preach all over the world or even door to door. This instruction is specifically to those disciples [there were others as well, 70 I think], who were given th ...[text shortened]... r
- live righteously
- be merciful
- make peace
These things are sufficient for eternal life.

We come back to the point that I've made a few times, that it's down to your understanding, what you have studied etc.

Personally I look at what happened after the disciples and we see that the preaching work continued on, which suggests to me that it wasn't for just the remaining disciples.

Apart from the obvious suspects there are other groups that follow that pattern, including The Catholic Church and its missionaries abroad; The Mormons (door to door); the Brethren (Plymouth and Exlusive) mostly on street corners; and there are Evengelical groups that I've heard of in East Anglia who I understand are Trinitarian, but I'm not totally certain.

I can't see how the word would have spread if organisations didn't champion it as they did. I'm not aware of any scriptual basis for stopping the preaching work?

The reference to chosen disciples was a bit lost in the ether sorry. Were you refering to people in general?

I have great doubts about the so called powerful works that are put on display these days. I certainly don't get involved in that stuff myself, but I have witnessed somebody that could do some pretty scary things which he claimed was by holy spirit, threatening to weaponise that "gift" on another who questioned him. Interesting.

@kellyjay said
When you look at humanity right now people were murdered in their homes, children killed right in front of their parents along with all types of atrocities being done due to racial and national hate. Do you disconnect this from all of humanity? These are the things people do, Australian protesters were shouting, "Gas the Jews" Do you disconnect this from all of humanity, d ...[text shortened]... ho are good, we are quite capable of doing both good and evil, and during our lifetimes, we do both.

I'll ask you again:

Does every non believer who gives water to the thirsty have some sinister motive for doing so? Do you really have such a low opinion of humanity?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I'll ask you again:

Does every non believer who gives water to the thirsty have some sinister motive for doing so? Do you really have such a low opinion of humanity?

Last post the page before this one I answered you, if you don’t like that answer, why?

@kellyjay said
Last post the page before this one I answered you, if you don’t like that answer, why?

I didn't ask you about if humans are capable of doing bad things. Of course they are. That is blatantly obvious. I asked you directly if a non believer giving water to the thirsty always has a secondary sinister motive?

If God indeed has His law, His will, ingrained on our very conscience, how is adhering to that conscience and giving water to the thirsty not a righteous act doing God's will?