@kellyjay saidYou live under a rock. Christianity is full of child molesting priests, greedy pastors who live in opulence off the church, adulterers, and now they are also homosexuals.
What are you a sociopath, do you have a mental issue to keep making such claims about people you do not know and cannot name? Who are these crooked pastors you keep referring to? That is just a blanket statement thrown out by you over and over again, you say things like that as if they are in scripture too, do you think your nasty accusations should just be accepted as fact? What a deceiver.
Here is what the Christian church supposed to be
And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. (Acts 2:42-47 KJV)
Living simply, sharing their wealth among each other. Instead now Christianity is a billion $$ business.
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15 Oct 23
@kellyjay saidCan you stop making posts like this? It's deeply unpleasant and unnecessary. You seem to have it in your head that it's okay to direct such personal comments towards Rajk, comments you wouldn't make to anybody else.
What are you a sociopath, do you have a mental issue to keep making such claims about people you do not know and cannot name? Who are these crooked pastors you keep referring to? That is just a blanket statement thrown out by you over and over again, you say things like that as if they are in scripture too, do you think your nasty accusations should just be accepted as fact? What a deceiver.
Are you a sociopath? Are you mentally ill? Are you a deceiver? Would it be okay if I threw those at you on a regular basis?
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:32).
15 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think he is a pastor himself and he takes comments about pastors being crooked personally.
Can you stop making posts like this? It's deeply unpleasant and unnecessary. You seem to have it in your head that it's okay to direct such personal comments towards Rajk, comments you wouldn't make to anybody else.
Are you a sociopath? Are you mentally ill? Are you a deceiver? Would it be okay if I threw those at you on a regular basis?
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:32).
@rajk999 saidActually, when you mentioned pastors I was thinking if the smaller parochial churches outside the c of e. Now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from and I would agree on the opulence.
You live under a rock. Christianity is full of child molesting priests, greedy pastors who live in opulence off the church,
Also on the west coast I understand that there are mega churches where leaders are called pastors and fit your description financially and certainly don’t preach a traditional message. I have no knowledge of the homosexuality but I can’t imagine that they would be different in general profile on that level.
15 Oct 23
@medullah saidThere are gay pastors and lesbian women church leaders.
Actually, when you mentioned pastors I was thinking if the smaller parochial churches outside the c of e. Now I have a better understanding of where you are coming from and I would agree on the opulence.
Also on the west coast I understand that there are mega churches where leaders are called pastors and fit your description financially and certainly don’t preach a trad ...[text shortened]... the homosexuality but I can’t imagine that they would be different in general profile on that level.
15 Oct 23
@Rajk999
I knew about the Anglican Church, but I wasn’t sure about the stuff that I don’t usually encounter. I do know a bit about some of their messaging which is a bit disturbing, but that’s about it.
Over in the UK a C of E school has just sacked a teacher who refused to teach LBGQTWXYZ++ (sorry if I’ve left anyone out) theory on the grounds of conscience.
@medullah saidWell dont encounter most of the stuff I talk about, because of where I live. Around here people are still very traditional. This LGBTQ nonsense may never be accepted around here. People still go to church on a Sunday and many business are closed. But I am not ignorant of goings-on in the rest of the world.
@Rajk999
I knew about the Anglican Church, but I wasn’t sure about the stuff that I don’t usually encounter. I do know a bit about some of their messaging which is a bit disturbing, but that’s about it.
Over in the UK a C of E school has just sacked a teacher who refused to teach LBGQTWXYZ++ (sorry if I’ve left anyone out) theory on the grounds of conscience.
Its good to see people are standing up for what they believe is right.
15 Oct 23
@medullah saidYes and this is why people think Christianity is a joke. Christians have failed to stand up for what they know to be right. Their doctrine is contrary to Christ and their standards have been overrun by the world. Christians have become materialistic and immoral, just like the Pharisees, its all about outward appearances.
@Rajk999
Agreed. My brother in law lives in South Africa and I get lots of accounts of traditionalism from him. The west is going down the sane toilet as Sodom (worse in fact) , and is trying to peddle it’s wares to the third world.
16 Oct 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNothing odd about it, read the title, doing the work of God requires God. We are a tainted race as you agreed earlier, we are all quite capable of doing horrible things, and we do them at different levels of the day every day, and we are quite comfortable in this too. No one is perfect, which is the issue, what I don't think you get is how bad, bad is, or how good real good is. Because we are such sinners God justifies us, and to help keep us walking properly with Him, we confess and repent of our sins daily. It isn't a one-and-done process it is ongoing. It has to be because the closer we come to understanding what is right and good the more sin we see. You cannot understand what a flaw is until you understand what is correct looks like.
You made the odd post: - "Anyone can do a good work like giving water to the thirsty, that doesn’t mean the motivations in play can’t run counter to the one that was helped."
You now concede that non-believers don't always have a sinister motive for giving water to the thirsty. (I think it's a safe bet that 'most' don't have a sinister motive, but we'll leave it at ...[text shortened]... another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working."
16 Oct 23
@kellyjay saidWhile I agree that it is best if good works come from good motivations, are you sure you're not over-analyzing and over-worrying about this?
Anyone can do a good work like giving water to the thirsty, that doesn’t mean the motivations in play can’t run counter to the one that was helped. We are talking about the nature of God and man, one is good, but only one, that is God not man.
For example, let's say a glory-hogging man strokes his own ego by giving a thirsty person water.
So what?
The other person isn't thirsty anymore.
That's certainly better than if no water had been given.
@bigdogg saidIndeed. Its like the Good Samaritan, helps the beaten up man, pulls out his IPhone and posts it up on Instagram and TicToc, to get likes.. But the priests and Levite turn away and pass the other side. Then they go on to RHP and posts how they have faith, and God has prepared works for them to do, but the Good Samaritan is a filthy sinner and his good works is pointless works salvation.
While I agree that it is best if good works come from good motivations, are you sure you're not over-analyzing and over-worrying about this?
For example, let's say a glory-hogging man strokes his own ego by giving a thirsty person water.
So what?
The other person isn't thirsty anymore.
That's certainly better than if no water had been given.
@kellyjay saidNo one is claiming anyone is perfect. Murder and rape are bad. You have claimed you are equally as "evil" as a rapist. I am not. If you are equally as "evil" as a rapist, then you are a bad person. Presumably, you also claim to be equally as "evil" as a murderer. That is a matter for you, I suppose. If you cannot tell the difference between good and bad, and you insist that nobody else can either, why do you presume to know anything about morality?
No one is perfect, which is the issue, what I don't think you get is how bad, bad is, or how good real good is.