Calling Out Christianity

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Take your comment to that thread then.

SOUNDS bad to his ears is not as strong as "This is definitely blasphemy."

I mean it is not great to say it sounds to his ears not good.
But that's not as bad as the obvious charge of blasphemy you want.

I mean he also said -

God have mercy on me. 😬

Dear Christianity, Ghost of Duke needs your assistance.
Tell me at what point as I go along, I have committed blasphemy in alternately describing glorification via God's "so great a salvation" into sons of God a blasphemy using the term deification.

He needs the confirmation of Christianity that deification of those "swallowed up by [divine] life" (2 Cor. 5:4) is an insult against God.
That's a hard sell to me since it was God who predestinated us to sonship before
He created the world.

So I think I can give at this point a little review of what I have covered in short in this thread.

God made man according to His image and likeness.
God wanted man to express Him.

God put man before the tree of life which represented God's own uncreated divine life.

This is like a hand fitting into the glove which is in the hand's image.
It was shaped to receive the living hand into it as its content.
Man was made in the image of God to CONTAIN God.

This was a choice and not something man had from creation.
Though he was created neutral, innocent, andeven a good creation ready to
choose.

I think I showed that God intended man to be sons of God even before He laid the foundation of the world. THus further seals that God wants man to be like Him but only by the right means.

I think I covered that instead of the life of God getting into man the evil nature of God's enemy Satanified man. Instead of deification - Satanification.

I think I covered that Satan did (as a serpent) tempt man to be like God but by the method of proudly competing, distrust, independence and disobedience.

Ghost is trying to concoct a case that ALL such becomming filled with the life of God for deification is the same as the grab for equality with God that Satan tempted man with.

I may have missed a point somewhere.
No clear accusations of blasphemy so far from Christian brothers on this thread.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Take your comment to that thread then.

SOUNDS bad to his ears is not as strong as "This is definitely blasphemy."

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

More dribble.
Cheap few.

Where's the beef?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

More dribble.
Cheap few.

Where's the beef?

Christianity brethren?
Anyone want to help on an ad populum fallacy construction for Ghost?

@sonship said
Christianity brethren?
Anyone want to help on an ad populum fallacy construction for Ghost?

@divegeester

Ok you did the easy part. Now take on the harder part. Refute from Scripture what I have presented up to this point on this thread.

There should be plenty there for you to take up in detail as allegedly wrong.
Or at least offer an alternative, more correct, analysis that you would offer.

Look at the summary review above that I gave.
What specifically would you take issue with there?

Nothing to deal with in my summary review Divegeester ?

Are you going to depend upon some genetic fallacy bias while Ghost hopes to construct his ad populum fallacy?

Come on Christianity. I am not going to bite you.
In my rview up to this point what is unacceptable to you brothers and sisters in Christ.

I do not claim infallibility.
I have a view expressed so far.

Is there a thunderous agreement with the atheist Ghost that I have blasphemed God so far?

@sonship said
@divegeester

Ok you did the easy part. Now take on the harder part. Refute from Scripture what I have presented up to this point on this thread.

There should be plenty there for you to take up in detail as allegedly wrong.
Or at least offer an alternative, more correct, analysis that you would offer.

Look at the summary review above that I gave.
What specifically would you take issue with there?

Let's take a number of promises saints. Tell me which one I am believing which constitutes blasphemy commited for doing so.

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name, who were begotten not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." (John 1:12,13)

Do I commit blasphemy for believing and preaching this passage?
Yes? No?

How about this?

"Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat it abides alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." (John 12:24)

Do I blaspheme for believing this word from the mouth of Jesus?

Well, do I blaspheme for saying this is ground for teaching the deification of the sons of God within the limits with which I have spoken ?

You must admit that the in some sense the parable strongy implies that what Jesus was was not to remain ALONE but to be duplicated in "much fruit" like Him in the divine life that He contained.

Do I blaspheme for ascertaining that within limits this is man being made God in life and nature but not in His Godhead? The saved become the mass production of the standard model of the Son of God in some sense here.

Does belief in this passage constitute blasphemy?

"And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one even as We are one. I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me." (John 17:22,23)

Christianity, do I blaspheme for believing this gives ground to speak of the deification (within specified limits) of the church collectively ?

Doesn't Revelation 21:11 say that the eternal city of God, New Jerusalem HAS THE GLORY OF GOD ?

" . . . and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God." (Rev. 10,11a)

Do we blaspheme for saying the ultimate consummation of God's salvation brings all the constiuents of New Jerusalem into deification?

Yes - this is blasphemy.
No - it is not but faith.
Not sure?

It further says in verse 11 " Having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, as clear as crystal."

Yet in chapter 4 God has the appearance of jasper (Rev. 4:3)

Plainly put, the city bears the appearance of God.

" . . . and he showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God." (Rev. 10,11a)

Isn't this the same as the request of Jesus to His Father in John 17?

"And the glory which You have given Me I have given to tyherm, that they may be one, even as We are one . . . " (John 17:22)


Isn't the jasper colored city having the glory of God a symbolic representation of the destiny Jesus prayed for for all His followers?

Have we no ground to refer to this as deification within the limits we circumscribe that term with?

The city has the dimensions of the holy of holies - a perfect cube. This perfect cube is exactly the nature of the Holy of Holies inner chamber in the temple where God's shekinah glory was seen by the priest who entered there once a year.

"And the city lies square, and its length is as great as the breadth. And he measured the city with a read to a length of twelve thousand stadia; the length and the breadth and the height of it are equal." (Rev. 21:16)

A perfect cube of equal dimensions was the Holy of Holies where God dwelt in the tabernacle and in the temple. This signifies the New Jerusalem, our destiny as the saved, is the eternal Holy of Holies where God lives.

The whole city is the innermost holy of holies in the temple of God.
And the Triune God signified by God and the Lamb are the temple of the city.
(The Holy Spirit is the river of the water of life flowing there. (22:1) )

"And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple." (v.22)

Do we blaspheme God by saying this indicates deification within the limits meaning become God in life and nature and expression and glory BUT not in His Godhead?

What would you say about this Christianity ?