@sonship saidI am not trying to "control" you, sonship. I am just trying to get you to address my point blank point-for-point responses to the things you are saying. I am not trying to "control" you but I am also not settling for all your deflections and evasions.
Neither you nor FMF can control me as much as you would like to control me.
25 Nov 18
@divegeester saidActually, I am fully aware of your needling him about it, and your incessant focus on yourself in this forum. How could I miss it? It's just a repeat of your "forum combat" against other Christians who have since left this forum, precisely because of your antics in this forum. I find it shameful, frankly.
Well I’ve been asking sonship more of less this question for the last 3 years now and I still can’t get a straight answer out of him.
You must have seen me asking him, discussing it across dozens of threads? And yet you have NEVER, not even once questioned him on why he won’t give a straight answer. Why is that?
Why do I have to fight your battles? Especially when I don't consider any answer he could give as much of a 'big deal' as you do. You are a petulant child over this (and many of your other constantly repeated points, too, actually). I can't really be bothered with who cares what about the Trinity. What I am usually bothered with is your position that sonship has to be attacked for the things he says, even though you profess to be a Christian too. I can see FMF attacking him. He attacks all Christians in this forum. It's what he does. And it's become what you do, too. Complete with your 'scoreboard'.
And, by the way, this is why people don't care to answer your interrogations. You blow past their answer like it wasn't even there, with a repeat of the same question, or perhaps a new attack about how "Boo-hoo, no one supports the obviously righteous things I say here." You, like FMF, dodge the answers. For you two, it's all about you. Your most sanctimonious attacks are always for those who dare to disagree with you. Will you two finally be happy in this thread where you are the only posters, perhaps painting it as a "win" because everyone you attacked will be gone, since "obviously" their arguments don't hold water? Will you finally then turn on each other?
Yes, this is a discussion board. Contrary to what you and FMF say, this is not a "debate" board. There is never any actual debate here, only attacks. People can choose to engage or not as they see fit. People will come here as long as they enjoy the conversation. You and FMF have been playing your little games here for easily a decade now. Your "forum combat" "win at all cost" mentality has been pushing people out of this forum for years.
My main beef with you guys is that you need to stop dodging the answers people give. Engage them in actual conversation, for God's sake, instead of trying to win "forum combat" "debate points" by claiming they didn't answer when you just don't like their answer. And please, "participation" in this forum is more than just never giving your own opinions about anything, and instead just attacking the opinions of others. This is actually the reason for FMF always asking questions. It's his method of attack. And you've adopted this technique, since you can always claim that they "dodged" or "evaded" or just didn't answer, even though they clearly did, often multiple times.
I'm more than tired of you asking WHY I do not support your constant, needling attacks on others here. This is what your "questions" here often are, simple attacks. And it pleases you when you can claim they didn't answer, because you can lazily use the exact same attack, over and over and over and over and over. Yet, you do the same when others ask you things. You blow off answering because you see it as an attack. I've not been a fan of the "tag-teaming" that goes on here at RHP since the beginning of my time here. Long ago, I called people out on it in the General Forum (where most flame attacks used to get started) and was called a "screaming harpy" over it on more than one occasion. This is why I often call you two out on it here. You two have raised the "tag-team forum combat" to an art form in this forum. And even so, you sometimes feel outmatched and resort to whining that others don't side with you. Well, there's a reason for that, and I've already spoken about it here numerous times. I'd think you'd "get it" by now.
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Actually, I am fully aware of your needling him about it, and your incessant focus on yourself in this forum. How could I miss it? It's just a repeat of your "forum combat" against other Christians who have since left this forum, precisely because of your antics in this forum. I find it shameful, frankly.
Some religious people want to try to make us ashamed to speak of the Trinity. It is not enough for them to say "That's not important." They have to frame the argument to show that it is WRONG to even speak of the Trinity. DIvegeester longs to make speaking of the Trinity a matter of shame to the Christian.
I resist the campaign and speak of the Triune God all the more. Maybe it may sink in that if he didn't do so much to make it a matter of shame maybe he would see a bit less mention of the Trinity. But maybe not. For God desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth.
I don't think he cares about what God cares - "and come to the full knowledge of the truth" . Hence there is the insistence that "I need nothing else. I need nothing else." And if the mysterious nature and operation of the Three of the Godhead are discussed - "I NEED NOTHING ELSE" is his obsession to attempt to control me not to write about the Trinity.
I completely reject his shaming tactic. And know that some of us are helped to simply examine the words of the Bible in faith about His mysterious nature.
No shame DIvegeester.
No sectarianism either.
Actually , no emphasis on creeds.
I do emphasis what the Bible says. I don't emphasize that much the formal creedal statements.
You see it is rather vague for Divegeester to say "I reject the trinity doctrine." There are probably many attempts to make creedal formulas down through the years.
Christian's creeds may or may not be that helpful.
But no creedal statement can rise as high in priority as the clear statements of the Scripture.
Creeds are limited.
Creeds are imperfect.
Creeds may even make expressions that cause misunderstanding.
You don't see me here emphasizing creeds.
You should see me drawing more attention to what the Bible says.
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Suzianne,
I expect DIvegeester to continue to try to take his little broom and sweep the Trinity revelation into some little corner. Sweeping it into a corner he hopes that the Christian should be ashamed to teach this for fear of being called sectarian.
It doesn't work on me. I'll do just the opposite, teach about the three-oneness of God in a way to clarify His eternal economy and bring glory to God.
When disproving the three-oneness nature fails other tactics are employed. When he cannot show the revelation of the Triune God is wrong he resorts ad homs about my vanity and private blogging or being prickly or point out that I've learned from other Christians. As if this was some poetry writing or film making contest focusing on creative originality.
Or "Well then let's talk all about your emotions."
Or " I can't deny "We" or "Us" concerning God are plural pronouns, SO, let's talk about your emotional reactions instead."
But Divegeester's favorite tactic is to appeal to some unwritten law of discourse about salvation that his question MUST have a binary Yes or No answer. Did Jesus Christ Himself always ignore the nuances of an issue to give His questioners a binary Yes or No? He did not.
Care in point: (Luke 13:23)
And someone said to Him, Lord, are there ibkt a few wgi are being saved? (v.23) [/quote]
Perfect as a SIMPLE Yes or No answer. Right?
The Lord's reply was not given in terms of a one word answer of Yes or No. He framed his reply according to His priorities to convey what was important.
And He said to them, Struggle to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to enter , yet will not be able." (v.24)
What happen to the simple "Ummm, Yes" or "Ummm, No".
Maybe had Divegeeser been the questioner he would have hounded Jesus for the next few years re-asking the question many times.
"Excuse me Jesus. Do you have enough COURAGE to answer my scary "GOTCHA" question now at last? Lord, are there only a few who are being saved ? . Yes? or No? I have asked You now twenty times. Aren't you embarressed yet that you have no given me your simple YES or NO ???
Expect Divegeester to re-ask his gotcha inquisition for many months, even years to come. You see, to re-ask and re-ask PROVES that .... ___________________________ ???
26 Nov 18
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Actually, I am fully aware of your needling him about it, and your incessant focus on yourself in this forum. How could I miss it? It's just a repeat of your "forum combat" against other Christians who have since left this forum, precisely because of your antics in this forum. I find it shameful, frankly.
Why do I have to fight your battles? Especially when I don't co ...[text shortened]... on for that, and I've already spoken about it here numerous times. I'd think you'd "get it" by now.
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidAs I've said 2 or 3 times in the last couple of pages, the ball is totally in your court sonship.
Suzianne,
I expect DIvegeester to continue to try to take his little broom and sweep the Trinity revelation into some little corner. Sweeping it into a corner he hopes that the Christian should be ashamed to teach this for fear of being called sectarian.
It doesn't work on me. I'll do just the opposite, teach about the three-oneness of God in a way to clarify His e ...[text shortened]... even years to come. You see, to re-ask and re-ask PROVES that .... ___________________________ ???
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As I've said 2 or 3 times in the last couple of pages, the ball is totally in your court sonship.
Who cares whose court the ball is in ?
The revelation of the Father - the seven Spirits of God - and the Son as the Triune God stands.
Who cares whose court the ball is in?
@sonship saidI care; you care too but are desperately trying to obfuscate to block out this:
@divegeester
As I've said 2 or 3 times in the last couple of pages, the ball is totally in your court sonship.
Who cares whose court the ball is in ?
The revelation of the Father - the seven Spirits of God - and the Son as the Triune God stands.
Who cares whose court the ball is in?
1) Answer my trinity question with a yes or a no and I'll answer 10 of yours
2) As you are some piously keen to float this topic, then answer this; Do you hold me dearer than any of your secular friends?
Any time sonship. The ball is in your court.
26 Nov 18
@sonship said1) Answer my trinity question with a yes or a no and I'll answer any 10 of yours
Folks, "the ball is in YOUR court" seems to be code for DIvegeester running out of rebuttals.
Since he cannot show the Trinity is wrong, he better leave the ball in the winner's court rather than his.
Isn't he slick ?
2) Do you hold me as a fellow christian dearer than any of your secular friends?
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidI've just read through this ranting monologue to Suzianne who must be squirming with embarrassment that you are trying to drag her into the hole you have dug for yourself.
Suzianne,
I expect DIvegeester to continue to try to take his little broom and sweep the Trinity revelation into some little corner. Sweeping it into a corner he hopes that the Christian should be ashamed to teach this for fear of being called sectarian.
It doesn't work on me. I'll do just the opposite, teach about the three-oneness of God in a way to clarify His e ...[text shortened]... even years to come. You see, to re-ask and re-ask PROVES that .... ___________________________ ???
I note in your post that you are once again comparing yourself to Jesus; comparing me asking you a simple question about what YOU think about YOUR beliefs...with Jesus being questioned by who -- the Pharisees. You are not in the same ball-park, league, country, planet, galaxy or universe as Jesus so stop comparing the scrutiny you get in here with our Lord.
It is toe-curling cringe-worthiness.
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26 Nov 18
@divegeester
Let's get to the real point.
Are you certain that you have received the Son of God as your Savior ?
And are you assured of your eternal redemption?
Now if you put the question to me, I would answer that I am definitely certain that I have Christ the Son of God as my Savior and I am assured of my eternal redemption.
How about you ?
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidOf course I am sure.
@divegeester
Are you certain that you have received the Son of God as your Savior ?
And are you assured of your eternal redemption?
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26 Nov 18
@divegeester
Any member of the Body of Christ as my brother or sister possesses a closer bond, a supernatural bond, more real then any worldly friendship or natural relationship.
A Christian brother with whom I have a fight is closer to me in the supernatural bond of the Holy Spirit then any relative of natural relationship or chummy worldly buddy.
Now, a question to YOU.
Have you EVER visited a one of the local churches standing on the ground of one city - one church and gone to have the Lord's Table meeting with them ?
If you have NOT, then how do you know HOW you would be treated if you CLAIM to be a Christian brother, albeit with some issues over doctrines?
Until you have EXPERIENCED some sectarian treatment attempting to break bread with them at the Lord's Table WHY spre-speculate beforehand that you would be treated badly as a Christian ?