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Is there any outward evidence of its effect on you?
You cannot control me.
You cannot control how I act, my demeanor, what you deem should BE my demeanor, or CONTROL when you think my demeanor comes up to YOUR standard.
You say you are an atheist. There is no evidence for God or the experience of God you are likely to believe. Attempting to shame me that "sonship you have not yet arrived at a point in which I am forced to relinquish my atheism" is not a burden I have to bear.
You have tried various tactics to make me feel responsible to FORCE you to come forward to God.
You have tried saying "Oh sonship, the old you was much nicer. You need to get back to the more convinciing Christian you were before."
Clever.
Not good enough.
"You have not yet FORCED me to become a lover of Christ" is not a guilt trip that I have to bear.
I do not claim by demeanor or argument or love or forgiveness or rebuke or debate or anything else to be able to FORCE you to drop your atheism.
Its not my responsibility to FORCE your will to believe so as to be saved. You don't want God? You just don't want God.
Stop attempting to shift the blame for your atheism onto me.
"If only you were a better disciple of Jesus" is just your perpetual stick and carrot routine.
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidIs there any evidence that can be seen in the way you conduct yourself on this message board to support the claims you make about supernatural things that have supposedly happened to you?
@FMF
Is there any outward evidence of its effect on you?
You cannot control me.
You cannot control how I act, my demeanor, what you deem should BE my demeanor, or CONTROL when you think my demeanor comes up to YOUR standard.
You say you are an atheist. There is no evidence for God or the experience of God you are likely to believe. Attempting to sha ...[text shortened]... me.
"If only you were a better disciple of Jesus" is just your perpetual stick and carrot routine.
Can anyone here see something in you that you can point to and say 'THAT'S Jesus at work in me' or 'THAT'S evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit in me'?
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Is there any evidence that can be seen in the way you conduct yourself on this message board to support the claims you make about supernatural things that have supposedly happened to you?
Can anyone here see something in you that you can point to and say 'THAT'S Jesus at work in me' or 'THAT'S evidence of the indwelling Holy Spirit in me'?
Is there any evidence that you were once as I am, a Christian ?
You hedged on even producing a Statement of Faith in any number of fellowship groups in various cities you lived in.
"I've BEEN there. I've DONE that. I THOUGHT I was a Christian too."
Is there any evidence ?
You're not about to produce any. Maybe you are lying.
I am not concerned about appearing before your judgment seat about evidence for my loving Christ. There is One for whom I am very concerned. But it not YOU or any Atheist or any loser disciple who thinks to follow Judas Iscariot's way was a noble thing to do.
You got your narcissist fix. Excuse me while I tend to my subject matter - Calling Out Jesus in Revelation.
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidIs there evidence that I was a Christian? Perhaps not. No. I can't think of anything. But I am an atheist, sonship. And there is plenty of evidence of that. Meanwhile, you are a Christian and you claim certain things about yourself with regard to that. What can someone here witness here aside from you typing and copy pasting lots of stuff?
Is there any evidence that you were once as I am, a Christian ?
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Folks, for the guys who love to say "Where's your evidence in you? Where's your evidencec in you?"
The Bible has a wonderful advice "Let another praise you and not your own mouth." (Prov. 27:2)
FMF's tactics are as old as the tactics of the Corinthian church demanding of Paul his credentials.
Of course this will now be used by Dive and FMF as me saying I am like Paul. Such as life.
"Let another praise you and not your own mouth." (Prov. 27:2)
@sonship saidThis is a discussion board on spirituality.
@divegeester
Then what HARM is done BY ME to YOU if I write many things about the Trinity ?
You say "Sonship I do not believe that doctrine."
Fine. What affront is it TO YOU if I believe and I teach many things about the Triune God ?
You discuss your beliefs, some of which I think are error
I challenge what I see as your error
You ratchet the "Holy Triune Trinity" teaching up to also be more important than it is
I try to bring it down to reality by asking you a pointed question "does my salvation depend on believing it" YES or NO?
You wont answer because you will be permitting me to bring proper perspective to your erroneous belief and it hurts your pride to do so
That's it. In a nutshell.
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidIt's OK with me if you think maybe I am lying. I'll settle for that. Presumably, though, you are not lying about the effect that you believe Jesus and the Holy Spirit have on you. So is there anything that can be witnessed to corroborate your current beliefs. If I can think of anything that corroborates my claim that I am an atheist, I will post it.
Is there any evidence that you were once as I am, a Christian ? Is there any evidence ? You're not about to produce any. Maybe you are lying.
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidIf you are not concerned about appearing before my "judgment" of your evidence, then just go ahead and say what some of the evidence is. If you are not concerned about doing so, then just do it.
I am not concerned about appearing before your judgment seat about evidence for my loving Christ.
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You wont answer because you will be permitting me to bring proper perspective to your erroneous belief and it hurts your pride to do so
My time has run out for this morning.
You have FAR ... FAR from been successful in showing my expounding on the Trinity is in error.
Now I have to tend to some things.
You never demonstrated the Triune God is not, N-E-V-E-R.
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You wont answer because you will be permitting me to bring proper perspective to your erroneous belief and it hurts your pride to do so
Sooner or latter I think you'll realize the weakness of your anti-trinitarian arguments fail, and references to my pride and me being a softy do nothing to rescue them.
If your arguments for Modalisim were successful you wouldn't have to constantly fall back on teasing me about emotional matters.
Get some better arguments .
26 Nov 18
@sonship saidI'm not trying to show the trinity to be error.
@divegeester
You wont answer because you will be permitting me to bring proper perspective to your erroneous belief and it hurts your pride to do so
My time has run out for this morning.
You have FAR ... FAR from been successful in showing my expounding on the Trinity is in error.
Now I have to tend to some things.
You never demonstrated the Triune God is not, N-E-V-E-R.
I'm demonstrating quite effectively that you are too scared to give unequivocal answers about your beliefs.