Calling out Jorge Borges

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
"What is the most grevious sin that man can commit?"

Thinking of you while stroking my rippled karma?

Originally posted by no1marauder
JB: Elsewhere (Ex 20:5) God declares that He visits the sins of the fathers upon succeeding generations. If a father rejects the covenant of God and takes his family into sin and rejects God, the children will suffer the consequences, often for several generations.

To punish a person, even a relative, for something someone else did is fundament ...[text shortened]... orefathers did hundreds of years before is monstrous. Thus, the god you believe in is a monster.

Dumb as a box of rocks.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what it means. Your bias is too thick for you to see why.

Originally posted by Nemesio
Thinking of you while stroking my rippled karma?

Vile and course. For someone who tries to pass himself off as a Christian.

Originally posted by josephw
Vile and course. For someone who tries to pass himself off as a Christian.

Do you even know what 'karma' is?

Nemesio

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
[b]So much for "children shall not pay for the sin of the fathers, nor fathers for the children, but every man shall answer for his own sin."

Again, out of context. The passage you're quoting is regarding legal matters. Elsewhere (Ex 20:5) God declares that He visits the sins of the fathers upon succeeding generations. If a father rejects the ...[text shortened]... h your misrepresentation of God because it serves your purposes too well. So be it.[/b]

Again, out of context. The passage you're quoting is regarding legal matters.

Yes, I know where the verse comes from. That's not the point.

I was curious if you thought that verse a worthy philosophy.

If a father rejects the covenant of God and takes his family into sin and rejects God, the children will suffer the consequences, often for several generations.

Does this seem just to you?

The fact remains, there is no salvation without Christ.

Good thing we don't need to be saved.

It's not a deflection.

Of course it is. It is the classic Christian fallacy that he who does not exalt God exalts himself by default.

First of all, "my" God is also your God.

Your God is a contradiction in terms and therefore cannot exist.

Secondly, it is disregarding context and the rest of the scriptural data which has led you to the conclusion that God is evil.

Again, it is focusing on scriptural data that convinces me that God, or at least your concept of him, is evil. I didn't make up the stories about the Midianite and Amalekite massacres. I didn't come up with the idea of eternal hell.

Third, I don't expect you to relinquish your misrepresentation of God because it serves your purposes too well.

Go on. Tell me more about my alleged purposes.

Originally posted by josephw
Dumb as a box of rocks.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what it means. Your bias is too thick for you to see why.

Go ahead and explain how killing an infant for something his forefathers did is just. Prove how "smart" you are and how "dumb" I am.

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defe ...[text shortened]... ation were it available. Should the former be able to steal that opportunity from the latter?

If God wants to make something happen, why can't he do it without killing everyone who doesn't agree with him. I prefer a GOD who is KIND, and believes in FREE WILL, rather than saying free will exists, but destiny does too, and if he wants you to do something he won't make you, but if you don't he'll make you miserable forever... GOD IS EVIL IN THE BIBLE, HE IS KIND IN TRUTH. THE OLD STINKY HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVES WHO WROTE THE BIBLE WERE LIARS!!! THEY DISTORTED THE TRUE IMAGE OF GOD'S BEAUTY!

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
Untrue. My explanation does not boil down to, "If God did it, then it must be OK." You are setting up a strawman argument in place of my post. I gave specific reasons why God ordered the destruction of the Amalekites. Please reread the post and address what is there rather than misrepresenting what I've said.

You disagree with my plan for a world that agrees with me. Therefore, it is not unlawful for me to order a assassin to kill you.

Which would you prefer, a person who would allow people to live following the law of a bunch of 2000 year old chauvanists, or one who would do anything to eliminate those who would not support my plan? 😀

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
Omnipotence will always be consistent with what God is, and not with what God is not. Omnipotence is not an entity in itself, but an attribute of God. For example, God may be all-powerful, but He cannot lie, nor could He make Himself cease to exist, etc.

Likewise, God cannot violate the free will of His creatures. Violating free will is the ...[text shortened]... wer to compel stubborn people to live righteous lives short of violating their free will.

Much better to kill everyone so that they can live for eternity in misery, very big improvement on the despot/rapist thing.

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
[b]To punish them for exercising the free will you supposedly gave them is madness. Your god is a psychopath.

God does not punish people for exercising free will. The exercising of one's free will can take on many forms: deciding to buy a green car instead of a red one; buying a Mac instead of a PC; spontaneously deciding to dance down th ...[text shortened]... ctly sane to offer a way out of judgment. Charles Manson is a psychopath; Jesus Christ is not.[/b]

So free will only means you get to pick things that don't matter... if you disobey god in a way that matters, that is not free will... being atheist is the work of the devil? Why did god create free will only to make it impossible to excercise it freely in important areas?

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
Why is it pointless?

You have as much free will to decide to change your mind as you have intelligence.

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
That's exactly what the Israelites did, isn't it? When God displayed His power before them, they just hid their faces. At the first opportunity they built a golden calf for an idol, despite seeing the Red Sea part and despite witnessing the glory of God with their own eyes. The Israelites were merely slaves to the Egyptians, while the Amalekites were ...[text shortened]... o peoples. So, yes, I don't think it is inconceivable that the Amalekites would say, "No."

That's just a fairy tale, like the bible.

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
[b]Is any atrocity permissible as long as god supposedly commands it?

If God does command it, yes.

God has the right to exercise judgment, because all people, including children, are guilty before Him (not even a child is as holy and pure as the Lord).

When you start defending genocide and infanticide as being morally permissible, ...[text shortened]... ral absolute. Do you believe there are moral absolutes? If so, what or who determines them?

I refuse to call a self-obsessed mad-man tyrant 'holier' than a child in ANY way.

Originally posted by Jorge Borges
[b]So much for "children shall not pay for the sin of the fathers, nor fathers for the children, but every man shall answer for his own sin."

Again, out of context. The passage you're quoting is regarding legal matters. Elsewhere (Ex 20:5) God declares that He visits the sins of the fathers upon succeeding generations. If a father rejects the ...[text shortened]... h your misrepresentation of God because it serves your purposes too well. So be it.[/b]

Why would someone who knows and is everything feel such a drive to be noticed by every living human? It is like a playground bully, wanting attention and control while his smiling gang say that he is good and wise and smart etc... just so they don't get beaten up. Move to another town, maybe, so you can escape this tyrannical slum-bitch who has you under his thumb.

Originally posted by josephw
Dumb as a box of rocks.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know what it means. Your bias is too thick for you to see why.

How so? If your father was a sinner, and you were a devout christian, would you go to hell? Why not give the children the chance? No, kill them. Wait, if their parents were sinners, they are going to hell! Elimination of argument A for killing of infants: you are not eliminating their chance of sin, mearly eliminating the chance of repentance. Which is impossible because they must be punished anyway... GOD IS GOOD!!!

,,,your logic is loopy!