14 Dec 08
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Originally posted by randolphIt sometimes seems a little repetitive (even for a relatively new member) that much of the debate in the spirituallity forum degenerates into theists vs non-theists arguing about the rationality of believing in God perse, but it is understandable and makes good reading most of the time anyway.
FabianFnas, in particular. You seem to get rather mad when spiritual ideas are brought up in the science forum, yet you persist in invading discussions here with scientific ideas- clearly not "spiritual". I think that if you expect spirituality to stay out of science, you should keep science out of spirituality.
I do therefore think I understand the motive behind this thread but I do have to dissagree with it. The fundamental debate of God vs no-God will almost always be defended on the laters side through science or at least social science viewpoints and these should not be discouraged.
The science forum is (i would conjecture) more about science interest matters and developements within that area and spiritual imput would derail most debate into god vs no god debate. However, to my first point, there is perhaps opportunity for members of a spiritual center to lead some more spiritual debates, about spiritually, without those posts being derailed by scientific veiwpoints.
Hope that made some sense!
14 Dec 08
Originally posted by divegeesterI don't mind anyone belive in their god. What I object about is that they saying they use science to prove the existance of god and other things, but at the same time deny scientific proofs about evolution, BigBang and other things.
It sometimes seems a little repetitive (even for a relatively new member) that much of the debate in the spirituallity forum degenerates into theists vs non-theists arguing about the rationality of believing in God perse, but it is understandable and makes good reading most of the time anyway.
I do therefore think I understand the motive behind thi ...[text shortened]... ally, without those posts being derailed by scientific veiwpoints.
Hope that made some sense!
As I said before - you cannot ever mix religion and science.
You cannot ever use science to prove religious things, and you cannot ever use religuion to explain phenomena of physics.
Arguments like "God created it that way" is utterly anti-science.
14 Dec 08
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Originally posted by divegeesterOne question I can think of: Has spirituality been a positive influence on mankind, god or no god? How many spiritualities are there? Sorry, that was two questions. And a more fundamental one: what is spirituality?
It sometimes seems a little repetitive (even for a relatively new member) that much of the debate in the spirituallity forum degenerates into theists vs non-theists arguing about the rationality of believing in God perse, but it is understandable and makes good reading most of the time anyway.
I do therefore think I understand the motive behind thi ...[text shortened]... ally, without those posts being derailed by scientific veiwpoints.
Hope that made some sense!
14 Dec 08
science and religion went dancing one night...
tha drink did flow and they began to fight...
science smacked religion, "i have facts on my side!"...
religion replied, "only God can decide!"...
round an round, and up and down...
tha dancing continued az tha Spirits did frown...
at last they did tire, of tha relentless discourse...
science wuz yawning and religion wuz hoarse...
they called fer a truce, twas quite late that night...
then they hopped in tha sack an made it alright...
rookie
14 Dec 08
Originally posted by rookie54But somehow I can't see the Pope getting in bed with Einstein....
science and religion went dancing one night...
tha drink did flow and they began to fight...
science smacked religion, "i have facts on my side!"...
religion replied, "only God can decide!"...
round an round, and up and down...
tha dancing continued az tha Spirits did frown...
at last they did tire, of tha relentless discourse...
science wuz yawning ...[text shortened]... twas quite late that night...
then they hopped in tha sack an made it alright...
rookie
15 Dec 08
Originally posted by divegeesterI agree. Science looks at facts and deduces what it can from them, whilst religion, specifically Christianity, is based on faith, and indeed cannot be 'proven' from a scientific point of view. God doesn't want you to believe through proof, but rather through faith. Thus, while science belongs everywhere religion does not (for instance, it does not belong in science as a method of proof). I remember being told once that "God is the why, science the how..."
It sometimes seems a little repetitive (even for a relatively new member) that much of the debate in the spirituallity forum degenerates into theists vs non-theists arguing about the rationality of believing in God perse, but it is understandable and makes good reading most of the time anyway.
I do therefore think I understand the motive behind thi ...[text shortened]... ally, without those posts being derailed by scientific veiwpoints.
Hope that made some sense!