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@sonship saidFeel free to start other threads on whatever topics you would like to discuss in order to avoid the topic of this thread.
@divegeester
Are you afraid to positively identify yourself as a Unitarian?
Why have you never identified and practical congregation of fellow worshippers that you meet with? Why? Why is this always concealed by you?
Why are you so shy about confessing who you met or meet with? Are you some kind of one man congregation?
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I know you don’t want to honestly answer my question, you’ve made that very clear. I guess anyone following the thread will have to draw their own conclusions as to why.
Right. They have and will again - decide for themselves what's going on here.
You come out loud and proud - "Boy, the local churches reject ME a Christian because I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. "
So after you strut around feeling mightily vindicated for some reason and "CALLING OUT" me to prove otherwise - maybe you reject yourself from the universal fellowship of believers in Christ.
Maybe we didn't leave you. Maybe you left us.
How is it that the Son of God loses the office of the Son of God ? ?
12 Mar 19
@sonship saidThis is a reasonably correct, if somewhat petulant, summary of what their statement of belief in the OP is saying, yes.
@divegeester
You come out loud and proud - "Boy, the local churches reject ME a Christian because I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. "
Your use of quotation marks is incorrect, misleading and dishonest though.
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@divegeester
You called me out - Calling out Sonship on the trinity and salvation
You call me out and then tell me to feel free to go away.
Before you are so assured that you would not be accepted as a member of the universal brotherhood of saved believers in Jesus, why not go to a meeting of one of the local churches and tell them about your experience with God and SEE if they offer you the right hand of fellowship?
How do I know that it is not you that holds the hand back because your Jesus will not always be the Son of God ?
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@divegeester
I forgot to write "I.e" or "in essence" or [paraphrase].
It is by no means a verbatim quote.
Deal with the essence.
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Sonship I am calling out this statement by your church claiming that salvation is linked to believing in the trinity doctrine as being gross error.
Feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong.....
I feel free, as you can see, to examine exactly WHAT you mean by this criticism.
Maybe you reject YOURSELF from fellowship because Christ to you is not the Son of God forever.
That may not be the churches shunning you but quite the other way around.
Do you have a problem with the Deity of Jesus Christ in a full way ? Is it that only those who believe in the Trinity regard Jesus Christ as Son of God for eternity ?
Is that your problem?
@sonship saidI’m not interested in joining your cultish church sonship. Here is the reason why, feel free to answer my question as soon as you feel fortified to do so...
@divegeester
Before you are so assured that you would not be accepted as a member of the universal brotherhood of saved believers in Jesus, why not go to a meeting of one of the local churches and tell them about your experience with God and SEE if they offer you the right hand of fellowship?
Sonship here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:
”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Every genuinely saved one has what the Bible calls the “common faith” (Titus 1:4), which includes what we must believe in order to be saved: we must believe that the Bible is the complete divine revelation wholly inspired by God; that there is a unique Triune God, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit; that Jesus Christ is the Son of God incarnated to be a man; that Christ died on the cross for our sins, shedding His blood for our redemption; that on the third day He was bodily raised from the dead; that He has been exalted to the right hand of God and made the Lord of all; and that He is coming again for His own and to set up His kingdom on earth.”
https://www.localchurches.org/beliefs/salvation/
Sonship I am calling out this statement by your church claiming that salvation is linked to believing in the trinity doctrine as being gross error.
Feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong.....
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I’m not interested in joining your cultish church sonship. Here is the reason why, feel free to answer my question as soon as you feel fortified to do so...
No, you're not interested in fellowship. So why BRAG that you'd be rejected? You're hunting to BE rejected.
You're interested in being a Unitarian without the courage to admit it. Scared to say you met HERE or met THERE, or you met with this congregation or that one.
Maybe you don't get along with ANYBODY but yourself precisely because you are so sectarian and divisive, intolerant and put standards on people that no one comes up to in your eyes.
So ThinkOfOne is a secretive Atheist.
And you're a shy (ashamed to admit) secretive Unitarian.
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@divegeester saidTitus 1:4
I’m not interested in joining your cultish church sonship. Here is the reason why, feel free to answer my question as soon as you feel fortified to do so...
Sonship here is a copy/paste from the statement of beliefs from the website of your own church sect:
[i]”In order to be saved, one must have a living faith in the Person and work of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. ...[text shortened]... inity doctrine as being gross error.
Feel free to correct me if you think I’m wrong.....
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Do you not see there is a reference to two distinct personalities there?
Have you not read the following passage in John 17:20-26?
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
Clearly here Jesus is praying on behalf of His disciples to His Father using person pronouns like 'us', 'we' and 'thou' while praying to the Father. If we know that Jesus is God the Son, and He is here praying to God the Father, then where's the misunderstanding?
We also know, according to the scriptures, that the "comforter", the "Holy Ghost" is referred to with the personal pronouns 'he' and 'his', and is spoken of as a teacher.
It is clear, with only these few rudimental examples, that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are God. Three distinct personalities, and all one God.
As to the question whether believing that doctrine is necessary for eternal life? I can't say for a certainty, but it certainly is demonstrable of spiritual maturity.
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I am suspecting this man has never been able to gather peacefully for any length of time with anyone, being singularly DIVISIVE and extremely individualistic. Who would be able to meet his standard for agreement with himself?
I wonder how many Unitarian congregations Divegeester has bounced around in not able to get along with anyone.
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Understand that Divegeesters "Calling Out" of Christians is a mechanism he NEEDS to rationalize his ruthless brand of isolation and individualism.
He calls out to hunt for REJECTION. It is his excuse for not being in spiritual unity with anyone. Its a bribing of his conscience, a rationalization to go it alone with a cold heart towards everyone else.
He wants to be "Daddy's favorite," all ALONE on Daddy's lap. No room for anyone else who doesn't share his opinions.
12 Mar 19
@sonship saidI have fellowship on a regular basis, and quite a lot more recently.
@divegeester
No, you're not interested in fellowship.
12 Mar 19
@secondson saidYour habit of quoting of scripture and using it as a weapon against other posters who don’t find you particularly impressive, is well documented.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Do you not see there is a reference to two distinct personalities there?
Have you not read the following passage in John 17:20-26?
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; ...[text shortened]... r eternal life? I can't say for a certainty, but it certainly is demonstrable of spiritual maturity.
Maybe you would like to comment on the OP...?
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@sonship saidPlease feel free to start a thread on the topic of your suspicions about me sonship.
@SecondSon
I am suspecting this man has never been able to gather peacefully for any length of time with anyone, being singularly DIVISIVE and extremely individualistic. Who would be able to meet his standard for agreement with himself?
12 Mar 19
@sonship saidI’m all these things because I ask you questions you don’t like to answer.
Understand that Divegeesters "Calling Out" of Christians is a mechanism he NEEDS to rationalize his ruthless brand of isolation and individualism.
He calls out to hunt for REJECTION. It is his excuse for not being in spiritual unity with anyone. Its a bribing of his conscience, a rationalization to go it alone with a cold heart towards everyone else.
He wants to be "Daddy's favorite," all ALONE on Daddy's lap. No room for anyone else who doesn't share his opinions.
How sad.