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20 Jan 19
@kellyjay saidAs I've said many a time, "I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth".
You are either preaching from the authority of Jesus Christ or not. If from Jesus you either can tell us about Jesus you are representing or not. If you have no idea who He is, and why we should pay any attention to the Jesus you are talking for, you are without authority except your own.
You neither hear nor understand His words. The false gospel you follow has rendered you deaf and blind to His words.
John 8
43“Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word. 44“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45“But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me.
@caissad4 saidWhy don't you try being objective and accept the fact that the Bible is true and has never been proven false.
Objectivity rather than subjectivity will take you on that path. I have already stated what you can study to find answers. Preconceived notions are self imposed obstacles.
@secondson saidMy question is this: why do you not believe what Jesus taught His disciples after His resurrection, and the subsequent revelations Jesus gave His apostles after His ascension?
@ThinkOfOne said
"My foundation rests upon the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth."
I'm not convinced you actually believe the gospel Jesus preached while He walked the earth. Never mind that. Why should you care whether I'm convinced or not?
My question is this: why do you not believe what Jesus taught His disciples after His resurrection, and the subsequent revelations Jesus gave His apostles after His ascension?
By and large, I find the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth to be reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself. I don't share that view of the mythology and beliefs that the NT writers wrapped around them. At best, they can merely echo His words. At worst, they deviate from His words and at times substantially so.
Why do you believe it?
20 Jan 19
@secondson saidNo. you are missing the point. This is a debate and discussion forum and participants talk about topics that interest them. Asking a theist why he or she is interested in discussing some atheist idea, or asking an atheist why he or she is interested in discussing some theist idea is mere post-content-avoidance, and the latter of these is your go-to-dodge so often, it's a bit spammy.
You're missing the point, and I you needn't remind me what this forum is.
20 Jan 19
@secondson saidThis is all just defection.
Laughable are your questions, since you don't believe in the supernatural. Your assertions, couched in pseudo-authoritative questions generated by a mind void of faith, are without merit or conviction.
Silly are you, posing as a debate and discussion forum contributor while misrepresenting the intent of others posts, when you try to pass yourself off as knowledgeable ab ...[text shortened]... t things supernatural, and ignore the authority on the supernatural that your debate opponents cite.
20 Jan 19
@secondson saidYour odd behaviour in the face of a really very straight forward question about your belief ["Do you believe God torments those who are damned in a burning fire that lasts for eternity?"] is interesting, People post on a message board like this based on what they find interesting.
Why should it matter to you what I believe if you don't believe that what I believe exists?
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20 Jan 19
@thinkofone saidWhich of course includes him saying he was sent by God,.....yes?
As I've said many a time, "I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth".
You've not answered that 'many a time.'
20 Jan 19
@caissad4 saidAnd I told you I reject your notions and unless you get specific there is nothing to talk about. Vaguely suggesting errors without pointing out specifics is meaningless.
Objectivity rather than subjectivity will take you on that path. I have already stated what you can study to find answers. Preconceived notions are self imposed obstacles.
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20 Jan 19
'O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.' (John 17:25).
Said by Jesus (apparently) while he walked the Earth. - ToO must, of course, accept this as by and large, he finds 'the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth to be reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself...'
20 Jan 19
@thinkofone saidBased on my knowledge of the scriptures I find complete consistency from beginning to end.
My question is this: why do you not believe what Jesus taught His disciples after His resurrection, and the subsequent revelations Jesus gave His apostles after His ascension?
By and large, I find the gospel preached by Jesus while He walked the Earth to be reasonably sound and reasonably coherent within itself. I don't share that view of the mythology and belief ...[text shortened]... s. At worst, they deviate from His words and at times substantially so.
Why do you believe it?
The scriptures are both the revelation of God to man and through man. All scripture is given by inspiration. The words are both inspired and preserved, and should be viewed as progressive from start to finish.
Consider Acts 1:1
The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,..
The "former treatise" Luke is referring to would be the gospel of Luke. Notice in the verse above that Luke says "of all that Jesus began to do and teach".
The book of Acts is the continuation of what Jesus began to do and teach as recorded by Luke in his gospel, but after His resurrection and subsequent ascension.
20 Jan 19
@fmf saidIt’s one of those “checkmate” questions for secondjosephw
Your odd behaviour in the face of a really very straight forward question about your belief ["Do you believe God torments those who are damned in a burning fire that lasts for eternity?"] is interesting, People post on a message board like this based on what they find interesting.
20 Jan 19
@fmf saidWhat is odd is your inability to understand my straight forward answer.
Your odd behaviour in the face of a really very straight forward question about your belief ["Do you believe God torments those who are damned in a burning fire that lasts for eternity?"] is interesting, People post on a message board like this based on what they find interesting.
20 Jan 19
@divegeester saidSiding with an enemy of the cross divegeester?
It’s one of those “checkmate” questions for secondjosephw
Of course you are. It's what you do.
20 Jan 19
@secondson saidFMF is a long time friend; we have shared stories and supported each other through secular struggles and spent many hours discussing spiritual things. I have lots in common with him and enjoy his company, good humour, intelligent thinking and general approach to life, family and ethics.
Siding with an enemy of the cross divegeester?
Of course you are. It's what you do.
You to me are an arrogant, dishonest religious blowhard who thinks he’s a spiritual tough guy. Other than that I know nothing about you.