Can fallen angel be forgiven?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I really have to wonder sometimes Checkbaiter how you go off on an tangent. The opening post says
..Jesus showed compassion to the demons who possessed people.
You then carried on about how demons are unchangeable and now you top it off with someone inviting a demon into their home?

The topic is fine. The direction you went is fruitless and foolish.

You know Raj, I wonder about you as well, I am not sure what you believe.

First of all I don't see where Jesus had compassion on demons. Just because he permitted them into swine does not imply that.

Remember, these were Jews and were not supposed to have swine in the first place. What were they doing with swine?
If this is compassion, why did they go over a ravine and die? The demons did not die, they just went their way to look for a new home.

I still hold to my opinion that demons cannot be rehabilitated, that is why I said what I said.
I also still stand by the topic as being fruitless and foolish.
Where is the profit? Where is the edification? Enlighten me please..

Originally posted by checkbaiter

I still hold to my opinion that demons cannot be rehabilitated,....

Where is the edification?

Where indeed.

A grown man talking about demons as if they are real 😞

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Where indeed.

A grown man talking about demons as if they are real 😞

What a small world you live in...😞

Originally posted by checkbaiter
What a small world you live in...😞

LOL.
Yes my world is smaller than yours because it does not contain fantasy creatures.

Although I dare say it makes up for that with real wonders of nature.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
Have you seen in the bible where God intervened to save a demon?

As you were the one who introduced "logic" into the conversation, I'm surprised to see you drop it so quickly.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Where indeed.

A grown man talking about demons as if they are real 😞

You don't think they are?
Kelly

Originally posted by Pudgenik
(1)I have always thought it interesting that Jesus showed compassion to the demons who possessed people.
(2)Another thing is that in scripture it states, a third of the angels fell from heaven. Yet in revelations it states, Satan and his followers will go to hell.
(3) And for those who feel spirits make perminate decissions. If God can change His mind, why not fallen angels too.

There would have to be a place for forgiveness and there isn't one for them.
They are all in when it comes to their evil nature, to believe anything else
is to set yourself up to be deceived.
Kelly

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I am not sure you have begun to see the depravity of evil....Satan and his followers are the source of all the evil, all the heart ache,all the fears, etc., since the beginning.
They are unchangeable, they cannot be rehabilitated...

I have more to say, but my son is waiting to play a game with me. I know all things are possible in God.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
You know Raj, I wonder about you as well, I am not sure what you believe.

First of all I don't see where Jesus had compassion on demons. Just because he permitted them into swine does not imply that.

Remember, these were Jews and were not supposed to have swine in the first place. What were they doing with swine?
If this is compassion, why did the ...[text shortened]... ing fruitless and foolish.
Where is the profit? Where is the edification? Enlighten me please..

Part of the reason you hold this "opinion" is because of your belief that god is not sovereign.

I'd be interested in the JW position on this, but I'm currently being "shunned".

Originally posted by divegeester
Part of the reason you hold this "opinion" is because of your belief that god is not sovereign.

I'd be interested in the JW position on this, but I'm currently being "shunned".

I believe God is sovereign, maybe I worded it wrong. Sovereign does not mean Authoritarian. ruthless,etc.
What I should have said is God will not go against his own laws, rules, character.
I don't remember the topic, but if Satan has been given ruler-ship over the earth, God will not just take it away without being a gentleman about it.
He will do it in such a way that it would hold up in court, where his righteousness is beyond question.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
I believe God is sovereign, maybe I worded it wrong. Sovereign does not mean Authoritarian. ruthless,etc.
What I should have said is God will not go against his own laws, rules, character.
I don't remember the topic, but if Satan has been given ruler-ship over the earth, God will not just take it away without being a gentleman about it.
He will do it in such a way that it would hold up in court, where his righteousness is beyond question.

I cannot remember that the Bible says that 'Satan has been given ruler-ship over the earth.' Can you provide a reference?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I cannot remember that the Bible says that 'Satan has been given ruler-ship over the earth.' Can you provide a reference?

And the devil said to Him, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
- New American Standard Version (1995)

There are many more references, but this should do.

Originally posted by checkbaiter
[b]And the devil said to Him, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
- New American Standard Version (1995)

There are many more references, but this should do.[/b]

Actually no, that cannot do. All of a sudden you want to put your faith in something reportedly said by the Devil himself? If you have anything else I would like to see it.

In the meantime consider this :

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

Jesus Christ himself is saying that all authority is given to him. I personally would not put any trust in what is reportedly said by the Devil.

Christ warns about that. Read this carefully :

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

You are putting your trust in a liar. You cannot claim to believe in Christ and then trust the words of the Devil.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
(1)I have always thought it interesting that Jesus showed compassion to the demons who possessed people.
(2)Another thing is that in scripture it states, a third of the angels fell from heaven. Yet in revelations it states, Satan and his followers will go to hell.
(3) And for those who feel spirits make perminate decissions. If God can change His mind, why not fallen angels too.

No.......

Originally posted by Rajk999
Actually no, that cannot do. All of a sudden you want to put your faith in something reportedly said by the Devil himself? If you have anything else I would like to see it.

In the meantime consider this :

[b]Mat 28:18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.

Jesus ...[text shortened]... ur trust in a liar. You cannot claim to believe in Christ and then trust the words of the Devil.[/b]

Jesus Christ himself is saying that all authority is given to him. I personally would not put any trust in what is reportedly said by the Devil.

Yes, but that authority is not yet, it is in abeyance . Not until he returns...
Who is causing Hurricanes, tornadoes,? Who is here to kill steal and destroy? Let's see, if I turn on the news, who is directing this world? Jesus?
Yeah, nothing to look at here, you must be right, Raj..

Now, let's look at this verse a little closer..

And the devil said to Him, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
- New American Standard Version (1995)

Now here he is Satan, the bible calls him cunning.
But let's see, he knows who Jesus is. He has to come up with some brilliant temptation that Jesus will not easily see through, so yeah how about this?

"I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

Nah, you must be right Raj, nothing here.

But wait, Jesus didn't come out and say, "Satan, this authority has not been delivered to you! You can't give me that!"

Probably just an oversight, Yep, that dumb Satan thought he could put one over on Jesus...never mind Raj, this is not worth pursuing any further.