Originally posted by sonhouseGod is omnipotent, however this does not mean he can perform illogical impossible acts. Hell is the absence of God, which makes your question an illogical one.
Is he that powerful?
The question is a variation of the question whether or not God can make a stone he cannot lift.
01 Jan 07
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Originally posted by sonhouseWould he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
Is he that powerful?
responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
God.
Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
ridiculous.
01 Jan 07
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Originally posted by ivanhoeWhy?
God is omnipotent, however this does not mean he can perform illogical impossible acts.
Oh, and since omnipotence apparently has it's limitations, perhaps they are
narrower than you think. Perhaps, it's like God is a manager of a chocolate
factory. He can't make sure that all chocolate is made equal, and only
saves the perfect pieces for himself. The rest is either thrown back into the
blender for reproduction or given to the poor. In either case, God still won't
throw himself in the blender, because he's clearly not chocolate.
01 Jan 07
Originally posted by stockenWell, according to Christian tradition and some of the creeds "He descended into hell." Whether this qualifies as "banishing himself to hell" I don't know. I do know it has no bearing on how my day will end up.
Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
God.
Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
ridiculous.
01 Jan 07
Originally posted by stockenI think Stocken has the main point here. If God exists, he's so awesome and smart that he'd never do something so stupid as to make himself burn and torture for all eternity simply for the pleasure of everyone knowing that God sent himself to Hell... just to get everyone a good chuckle or whatever purpose it would serve.
Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
God.
Honestly though, if I were God I wouldn't punish myself. That would be
ridiculous.
01 Jan 07
Originally posted by flclkrisBut he'll let himself get duped by the Devil and torture Job and his family to prove a point... right?
I think Stocken has the main point here. If God exists, he's so awesome and smart that he'd never do something so stupid as to make himself burn and torture for all eternity simply for the pleasure of everyone knowing that God sent himself to Hell... just to get everyone a good chuckle or whatever purpose it would serve.
Sweeeeeeeeeeet! God rocks!
P-
02 Jan 07
Originally posted by stockenGod gave everybody choices. He can try to influence them in the right direction, but cannot change them.
Would he? I mean, sure, in the end, if he exists, he's ultimately
responsible for everything that has happened in his creation, right? He knew
what he created in Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Bush, Blair and all the other, so
they're not really responsible for the pain they've caused other people, but
God.
Think of it like a disease. You can't say, "God gave me cancer." because God cannot do that. God put himself in a box. He cannot send somebody cancer. He can allow someone to get it, though.
02 Jan 07
Originally posted by AcemasterCancer? Cancer? You couldn't come up with something that we actually
God gave everybody choices. He can try to influence them in the right direction, but cannot change them.
Think of it like a disease. You can't say, "God gave me cancer." because God cannot do that. God put himself in a box. He cannot send somebody cancer. He can allow someone to get it, though.
do control on a personal level? I can get cancer due to factors
outside my control, such as being exposed to the toxic waste of the
preaching fundamentalist. Brain cancer! Aouch!
Your argument only weakens the alleged power of God. If he created this
crappy globe, then decided not to interfere in any way, why do so many
people pray to him for this or that, and then expect him to help them
out? That just doesn't make any sense. He's not going to interfere,
right? No wait. He helps those who accept him their hearts and that stuff,
yea? 😵
Hm, I think you might be an imperfect piece of chocolate, there mate.