@josephw saidMore made up stuff by you.
but an aspect of fruit is what one confesses about Jesus with their mouth, and apparently you have issues with doing that.
Galatians 5:22-23
”But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”
Nothing about “confessing with their mouth”.
Which by the way I have no “issues with doing”
13 Jun 23
@divegeester saidDefine " Christian"
So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
Genesis 1-27
Does the genesis account of the creation of a mankind as a binary gendered species mean that transgender people cannot be Christian?
13 Jun 23
@josephw saidThen what makes you think that Jesus approves of demonizing trans people as a political ploy? Or even homosexuals, for that matter? Why do you think he spent so much time with people on the lowest rungs of society? Do you think he wasn't aware that stealing and prostitution were against the law? And being trans or gay isn't even against the law.
No.
13 Jun 23
@suzianne saidDo you believe that Jesus would have seen homosexual sex as "sinful"?
Then what makes you think that Jesus approves of demonizing trans people as a political ploy? Or even homosexuals, for that matter? Why do you think he spent so much time with people on the lowest rungs of society? Do you think he wasn't aware that stealing and prostitution were against the law? And being trans or gay isn't even against the law.
13 Jun 23
@suzianne saidDo you believe that "sinfulness" in terms of sexual relations is dependent in some way on whether they are legal or illegal?
Why do you think he spent so much time with people on the lowest rungs of society? Do you think he wasn't aware that stealing and prostitution were against the law? And being trans or gay isn't even against the law.
13 Jun 23
@karoly-aczel saidA person who exhibits the fruit of the spirit; as I said a few posts back.
Define " Christian"
@fmf saidI don't think that is a salient question.
Do you believe that Jesus would have seen homosexual sex as "sinful"?
The parable of the mob who brought an accused adulteress to Jesus, prepared to stone her to death, is relevant. Jesus refused to judge or punish her, and admonished the mob to cast no stone against her. The obvious lesson in that parable is that sin (whatever that may be) is between the individual soul and God, not for man to judge much less punish.
So I presume the same would apply to non-heterosexuals and non-binary people of whatever description.
14 Jun 23
@moonbus saidI think Paul dealt with this and how it is to be handled. For church members they are to be judged and corrected and disfellowshipped if necessary. For those outside the church they should be advised on what the bible / God says, and then left alone. As you say, God will judge these people.
I don't think that is a salient question.
The parable of the mob who brought an accused adulteress to Jesus, prepared to stone her to death, is relevant. Jesus refused to judge or punish her, and admonished the mob to cast no stone against her. The obvious lesson in that parable is that sin (whatever that may be) is between the individual soul and God, not for man to judg ...[text shortened]... o I presume the same would apply to non-heterosexuals and non-binary people of whatever description.
Pauls reason for this is something I have said here many times and that is that Christians who want to be considered chosen or the elect of God, or the sheep of Christ [not all Christians automatically fall in this group contrary to Christian doctrine], are called to a higher standard of conduct and righteousness. These are the ones who will rule and judge with Christ during His reign on the earth. They are not allowed to participate in worldly standards. Not at all saying that these sinners are condemned, its just that their place with Christ is shifted down to the end when Christ judges the whole world according to their works.
15 Jun 23
@rajk999 saidAccording to the Gospel of Rajk.
I think Paul dealt with this and how it is to be handled. For church members they are to be judged and corrected and disfellowshipped if necessary. For those outside the church they should be advised on what the bible / God says, and then left alone. As you say, God will judge these people.
Pauls reason for this is something I have said here many times and that is that ...[text shortened]... with Christ is shifted down to the end when Christ judges the whole world according to their works.
@suzianne said"Then what makes you think that Jesus approves of demonizing trans people as a political ploy?"
Then what makes you think that Jesus approves of demonizing trans people as a political ploy? Or even homosexuals, for that matter? Why do you think he spent so much time with people on the lowest rungs of society? Do you think he wasn't aware that stealing and prostitution were against the law? And being trans or gay isn't even against the law.
What makes you think I think Jesus approves of demonizing anyone? That's not biblical. I don't think that way. I'm sorry if you think I do.
"Why do you think he spent so much time with people on the lowest rungs of society?"
Because that's who we are, and because Jesus loves us no matter who or what we are.
"Do you think he wasn't aware that stealing and prostitution were against the law?"
There isn't anything Jesus isn't "aware" of.
"And being trans or gay isn't even against the law."
With that statement you reveal that you understand virtually nothing about "the law".
So, if your eyes don't burn out of their sockets reading this I'll explain "the law" to you.
God created them male and female. God created marriage to be between a man and a woman. Sexual relations are between a husband and a wife. Anything else is against "the law" of God the creator of everything that exists.
The scriptures are full of references to support that truth.
Anyone that calls themselves a Christian, and believes otherwise, deceives themselves by believing the lie that contradicts the irrefutable truth that the scriptures teach with regard to human conduct and lifestyle behavior.