04 Dec 06
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomNo, the enlightened one is the one who accepts that there are unknowns.
you have to know what is true to know who is enlightened, the enlightened one is the one who is right.
We can never know for sure about the existence of a God or otherwise and anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. But we can accept our lack of knowledge on these matters.
We can take a position sure - I don't believe, you do, that's cool.
But all the time accepting that your belief is based on uncertainty.
That's enlightenment.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by amannionthat is not enlightenment, you have to know what is right to be enlightened. you take the easy way out by not caring what is right.
No, the enlightened one is the one who accepts that there are unknowns.
We can never know for sure about the existence of a God or otherwise and anyone who claims otherwise is fooling themselves. But we can accept our lack of knowledge on these matters.
We can take a position sure - I don't believe, you do, that's cool.
But all the time accepting that your belief is based on uncertainty.
That's enlightenment.
07 Dec 06
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomWhoever said anything about not caring what is right.
that is not enlightenment, you have to know what is right to be enlightened. you take the easy way out by not caring what is right.
Of course I care.
And I think that my view of the world is the right one. But I'm not stupid enough, or arrogant enough, to know for sure - that's called doubt. You either have it or you're an idiot.
Since we can never prove our religious/spiritual viewpoints beyond the shadow of a doubt, there's always the chance that our belief is not the right one. How can we possibly move beyond this?
Well clearly we do, since most people get on with their lives pretty nicely, but philosophically I think the most enlightened position to take is that which accepts that our differing interpretations of reality will always exist and that we don't know which one if any is 'the right one'.
Think of it as being analogous to the wave-particle problem which plagued physics for centuries. Is light a wave or a particle? Both positions explain certain observations, but neither is able to be reconciled with the other - they can't both be right at the same time. And yet one without the other doesn't work either.
All of our ways of understanding the world, all of our beliefs, may be something like this. Right in their own way.
Enlightenment is about accepting this.
And then getting on with living your life ... going to school, getting laid, finding a job, meeting a nice girl/boy, settling down, having some kids, and so it goes ...
09 Dec 06
oh my God. you don't die, you can't . it is spiritually impossible. debate that. Tell me right now that any of you conciensely belive that your spirit and your mind just go kaput when your organs give out? are you kidding me? the spirit is not coneected in anyway to the physical body parts that you were born with. This conversation needs to kick it uppa bit for me to get involved here. peace to all big b.
09 Dec 06
Originally posted by biggest bscientists say there is no such thing as a spirit, and they have a pretty good arguement, the brain makes decisions not the spirit.
oh my God. you don't die, you can't . it is spiritually impossible. debate that. Tell me right now that any of you conciensely belive that your spirit and your mind just go kaput when your organs give out? are you kidding me? the spirit is not coneected in anyway to the physical body parts that you were born with. This conversation needs to kick it uppa bit for me to get involved here. peace to all big b.
09 Dec 06
Originally posted by biggest bWhat the hell does 'spiritually impossible' mean?
oh my God. you don't die, you can't . it is spiritually impossible. debate that. Tell me right now that any of you conciensely belive that your spirit and your mind just go kaput when your organs give out? are you kidding me? the spirit is not coneected in anyway to the physical body parts that you were born with. This conversation needs to kick it uppa bit for me to get involved here. peace to all big b.
14 Dec 06
when we die we go into the gates of heaven to see if our names are in the book of life if it is then you get to go into Heaven, but if it isn't then you go to Hell. Hell is the first death, but when God destroys Satan everybody in Hell and the devil will be thrown into the lake of burning fire. This is the second and final death. this is permanent. Hell is temporary
14 Dec 06
Originally posted by grandslam842Well we may as well close this section of the forum now.
when we die we go into the gates of heaven to see if our names are in the book of life if it is then you get to go into Heaven, but if it isn't then you go to Hell. Hell is the first death, but when God destroys Satan everybody in Hell and the devil will be thrown into the lake of burning fire. This is the second and final death. this is permanent. Hell is temporary
Grandslam has all the answers.
14 Dec 06
Originally posted by lllaaaiiinnnWhat do you think the specifics of reincarnation are? Does anyone else have an opinion for or against it? (and no, I don't mean "it can't be true because it contradicts the bible"😉
i am a buddhist\i believe in reincarnation\so you can die again & again\however, if you transcend birth & death, you are no longer subject to either\