Spirituality
05 May 17
Originally posted by chaney3I've been asking you for at least two years without reply, why you claim to be be both a Christian and a non Christian, and yet you expect to jump to your pathetic little small-man questions,
As usual, you deflect and evade by resorting back to ME. It's a neat trick to avoid answering the question.
Why are you a weak Christian after 30 years of experience?
Is your 'out' that you're just human, and doing the best you can? Is that really a satisfactory stance?
Originally posted by FMFYou're entitled to your own opinion, but unless you can cite the Truth all you have is an opinion. Unless, and until, you can prove my assertions are false, all your assertions are merely your own opinion.
Your religions are different, that's true. The blend of assertions and lame insults, and the capitalization of The Truth,... is all pretty much the same.
Originally posted by chaney3No I don't think god loses patience . over anything .
"I'm doing the best I can, I'm only human you know".
Does God lose patience for the above phrase? Or does He expect much more from one who claims to be in the spirit of Christ?
Patience is a human virtue due to our mortality and hence limited time to make sense of our world and what not.
'God' is not hampered by spacial and temporal restrictions. She can wait forever for us to wake up. (I realize this sounds simplistic, but I gotta start somewhere 🙂 )
Originally posted by josephwIt's all you, me and the likes of Dasa do here: trade our personal opinions.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but unless you can cite the Truth all you have is an opinion. Unless, and until, you can prove my assertions are false, all your assertions are merely your own opinion.
24 May 17
Originally posted by FMFHe means reciting the gospels obviously.
It's all you, me and the likes of Dasa do here: trade our personal opinions.
What makes them the 'Truth' as opposed to our opinions is not clear at all, just as it is unclear why the gospels would be considered 'truth' .
I do like more contemporary explanations of why we should adhere to any kind of spirituality.
And this comes down to our opinions most of the time. We seem to be short on any popular spiritual teachers that are critically revered by many in this day and age.
Why is that?
I've read much of what Osho has to say about spirituality and, whether you agree with him or not, at least he is giving us a modern day interpretation. He is answering questions that you or I would ask . Not someone living 2000 years ago.
Originally posted by karoly aczelHe's welcome to talk about his beliefs, of course. I've just been pointing out that his 'ministry' seems to have deteriorated to become much like Dasa's was.
He means reciting the gospels obviously.
What makes them the 'Truth' as opposed to our opinions is not clear at all, just as it is unclear why the gospels would be considered 'truth' .
25 May 17
Originally posted by FMFAll opinions have the same value. They're worth nothing. Your point has no substance.
My point exactly.
Truth exists independently of anyone's opinion. Without objective truth life has no substance. Without substance life has no meaning. Without meaning opinions have no substance.
Your point is moot.
25 May 17
Originally posted by josephwYes, and your insistence that your "truth" is "The Truth" is just your opinion. Maybe you are right; maybe you are wrong. Constantly asserting that your "truth" is "The Truth" is what Dasa used to do. It didn't work for him; it doesn't work for you.
Truth exists independently of anyone's opinion.
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25 May 17
Originally posted by josephwPerhaps it is the Hindu, not the Christian who has 'objective truth' and it is that truth that 'exists independently.'
All opinions have the same value. They're worth nothing. Your point has no substance.
Truth exists independently of anyone's opinion. Without objective truth life has no substance. Without substance life has no meaning. Without meaning opinions have no substance.
Your point is moot.
That would make your own truth just an opinion, right? - And even when you declare now that Hindus don't have objective truth, that would still be just your opinion, right?
The problem with the 'just your opinion' argument is that you don't stand outside of it. Dasa too never understood this.
25 May 17
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeYou can say I don't understand. That's easy enough, but if you have no truth to offer, then it's just your opinion.
Perhaps it is the Hindu, not the Christian who has 'objective truth' and it is that truth that 'exists independently.'
That would make your own truth just an opinion, right? - And even when you declare now that Hindus don't have objective truth, that would still be just your opinion, right?
The problem with the 'just your opinion' argument is that you don't stand outside of it. Dasa too never understood this.
Circular reasoning.
There is evidence enough for what is truth, so that when we're called to give an account there'll be no excuse.
25 May 17
Originally posted by FMFWell, I guess it simply boils down to the day when you face the truth you can tell Jesus it was just his opinion.
Yes, and your insistence that your "truth" is "The Truth" is just your opinion. Maybe you are right; maybe you are wrong. Constantly asserting that your "truth" is "The Truth" is what Dasa used to do. It didn't work for him; it doesn't work for you.