20 May 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesA superb point.
It says the sheriff was there ready to arrest the mother!
If McDonald's refuses to allow a black man to eat in their indoor seating area and tells him instead that he must hide around the corner in the bushes and a cook will run his food out to him to eat where he won't make the white customers uncomfortable, would it be more accurate to say that this black man has been denied service or that alternate provisions have been proposed?
20 May 08
Originally posted by DoctorScribblesThe analogy fails, in my opinion. First of all, a church can legally forbid anyone they want from coming to their church, as far as I know. McDonald's couldn't refuse to serve a Mormon, but the Catholic Church could if they wanted not let a Mormon take communion. Given the "black man" example, is it illegal for a church to, for example, only allow white people into their church?
It says the sheriff was there ready to arrest the mother!
If McDonald's refuses to allow a black man to eat in their indoor seating area and tells him instead that he must hide around the corner in the bushes and a cook will run his food out to him to eat where he won't make the white customers uncomfortable, would it be more accurate to say that this black man has been denied service or that alternate provisions have been proposed?
20 May 08
Originally posted by gaychessplayerI guess the church are breaking disability discrimination laws. You do have those in the US, right?
The analogy fails, in my opinion. First of all, a church can legally forbid anyone they want from coming to their church, as far as I know. McDonald's couldn't refuse to serve a Mormon, but the Catholic Church could if they wanted not let a Mormon take communion. Given the "black man" example, is it illegal for a church to, for example, only allow white people into their church?
20 May 08
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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesHello...he spits and urinates during mass! Even if he were the Prince of Wales he would be denied acces for behaving disruptive. He wasn't denied mass because of what he is, but because of how he behaves. For toddlers who can't behave there's daycare or Sunday school during mass , there should be something similar for him.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/05/19/fryer.autistic.boy.banned.kare
Shouldn't it be unconscionable for them to deny such a person Holy Communion? He's just as God made him.
Speaking as the mother of an autistic child.
20 May 08
I actually support the Church. A Church has a right to do something about any member of the congregation that causes problems during the service.
In the Church I went to as a child it was not unusual for a mother with a crying baby to be asked to leave the building until the baby had stopped crying.
It appears to me that the real problem in this case was that the parents did not want to negotiate with the Church administration. If the child had been a normal boy but just as much of a trouble maker, it wouldn't have even made the news. Disabled people are given more allowance than others and that is fair but if an insane person goes around killing people, you do not simply say - well hes disabled so let him.
20 May 08
Originally posted by thymeHere's a little church in my neighborhood that he might just fit right in. Do you think these people are "behaving" approapiately?
Hello...he spits and urinates during mass! Even if he were the Prince of Wales he would be denied acces for behaving disruptive. He wasn't denied mass because of what he is, but because of how he behaves. For toddlers who can't behave there's daycare or Sunday school during mass , there should be something similar for him.
Speaking as the mother of an autistic child.
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20 May 08
Originally posted by kirksey957It seems to me that you are not really responding to the problem but rather seem to be enjoying the sensation.
Here's a little church in my neighborhood that he might just fit right in. Do you think these people are "behaving" approapiately?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMP-CQ_bvSM&NR=1
Maybe you should get that mothers phone number and contact her about that church in your little neighborhood.
20 May 08
Originally posted by kirksey957that dude in the red pants can spin rounds prety damn good!
Here's a little church in my neighborhood that he might just fit right in. Do you think these people are "behaving" approapiately?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMP-CQ_bvSM&NR=1
about the autistic kid who isnt alowed in church anymore, its indeed its behavoir that caused it, not just because hes autistic. I dont think even I will be allowed in church when strangling kids there.
20 May 08
about the autistic kid who isnt alowed in church anymore, its indeed its behavoir that caused it, not just because hes autistic. I dont think even I will be allowed in church when strangling kids there.[/b]if this is the case puts a better spin on story, could do with him in my street if he is strangling the kids there.
20 May 08
Originally posted by thymeMy way of responding to the problem was to show that there are indeed varieties of worship that go beyond what we think of as "normal." I showed an example of the "body of Christ" where people act like they are autistic. The "sensation" that I seem to be enjoying I know not of what you speak. I do however enjoy pointing out the double standard.
It seems to me that you are not really responding to the problem but rather seem to be enjoying the sensation.
Maybe you should get that mothers phone number and contact her about that church in your little neighborhood.
Obviously this boy must conform to the standard presented to him instead of the church responding to his unique needs. What a horrible theology and ethic.
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20 May 08
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Originally posted by scottishinnzExcept that 1) the black man presents no threat to other consumers, 2) he does not urinate in the restaurant, and 3) the church tried to accommodate the autistic boy, whereas this black man suffers humiliation.
A superb point.
If a black man went into a restaurant, endangered the people around him, and the restaurant-manager attempted still tried to serve him some other way, I would think that restaurant a noble and charitable institution. It is only unfortunate and sad that its attempts are unsuccessful.
Furthermore, priests in Australia discourage their elderly parishioners from attending church during Summer. The church located in my area has three ambulances sent there last year because elderly people fainted. It is not prejudiced to prohibit the elderly from Mass in such times; it is in their interests. Churches need to ensure the health and safety of those who attend their Masses.