28 May 15
Originally posted by divegeesterOn the contrary , you introduced the term. I want to know how you came to get that term from the original text. I don’t need to do anything. So will you tell us or will you not?
Robbie, it is YOU who are claiming that the term "Godhead" is a mistranslation in order to support your view of the trinity and dieity of Christ arguments, therefore it is YOU who need to provide seem evidence on order to substantiate your position.
28 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadFor me it means the essence of what God is, authority, name, identity. I don't think it does matter. Robbie has an issue with it because the scriptures I quote contradict or are at odds with his ideology.
So, what does the word mean to you? Why does it matter whether or not it is in the Bible?
28 May 15
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Originally posted by divegeesterCan you give one of those scriptures and explain what the original Greek was, and whether that too contradicts his ideology, or is the contradiction only in the English translation? (and your interpretation of that translation, 'godhead' has a range of possible meaning).
For me it means the essence of what God is, authority, name, identity. I don't think it does matter. Robbie has an issue with it because the scriptures I quote contradict or are at odds with his ideology.
28 May 15
We are debating an issue that is 2,000 years old, and we were not there. The fact that the Trinity, and the term Godhead are confusing to some, myself included, it not something to be ashamed of. Consider this: Judas betrayed Jesus......Thomas doubted Jesus....and Peter denied Jesus. These guys were THERE with Jesus....ate meals with Him, had first hand teaching from Him, witnessed His miracles....AND they all had issues with Him. Even if Jesus is not God, one would think that 2,000 years ago, these men would surely know that something is different about Jesus.
All I can say is that I have my doubts about this matter.....and I don't feel bad about it. At least I was NOT at the Last Supper with Jesus in person, and having the issues with Him that His disciples had.
I cannot offer proof either way. I just wanted to share my thoughts. Reasonable doubt regarding the Jesus/God debate is fair. As I read some other posts, I am astonished how some people seem so certain on this matter.....and have a snobbish attitude about it. That they are somehow even smarter and better than the very people who had the very same doubts right smack in the presence of Jesus Himself.
28 May 15
Originally posted by divegeesterAnother falsehood and and unmitigated fabrication, the issue has absolutely nothing to do with my ideology and is simply a matter of accurate translation. You cannot answer the question that was put to you, either you simply use terms that you have no idea how they are derived from the text or you are as I suspect, unable to tell us what the Bible actually says.
For me it means the essence of what God is, authority, name, identity. I don't think it does matter. Robbie has an issue with it because the scriptures I quote contradict or are at odds with his ideology.
28 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadI have no ideas what the original Greek was. However I've given lots of scriptures relation to the topic in this and the Jesus v God thread.
Can you give one of those scriptures and explain what the original Greek was, and whether that too contradicts his ideology, or is the contradiction only in the English translation? (and your interpretation of that translation, 'godhead' has a range of possible meaning).
28 May 15
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm just quoting the bible Robbie. If you have issue with the bible then please feel free to provide your evidence.
Another falsehood and and unmitigated fabrication, the issue has absolutely nothing to do with my ideology and is simply a matter of accurate translation. You cannot answer the question that was put to you, either you simply use terms that you have no idea how they are derived from the text or you are as I suspect, unable to tell us what the Bible actually says.
28 May 15
Originally posted by chaney3Why is you having doubts about something on Christianity of any relevance or impact to you and your life anyway, are you Christian?
We are debating an issue that is 2,000 years old, and we were not there. The fact that the Trinity, and the term Godhead are confusing to some, myself included, it not something to be ashamed of. Consider this: Judas betrayed Jesus......Thomas doubted Jesus....and Peter denied Jesus. These guys were THERE with Jesus....ate meals with Him, had first hand ...[text shortened]... than the very people who had the very same doubts right smack in the presence of Jesus Himself.
Originally posted by divegeesterWell then I think we have to give Robbie the benefit of the doubt on this one. You have no good reason to claim his translation is worse than yours. I am not saying he is right, just that you don't know for a fact that he is wrong.
I have no ideas what the original Greek was.
Were the rest of your verses also based on somewhat debatable interpretation?
28 May 15
Originally posted by divegeesterAm I not allowed to comment on a forum?? Do I need to send you a private message to ask permission to make some comments, or to give an opinion?? It is none of your business what my faith is!!!! It doesn't matter what I believe......If I am trying to understand who is in the Heavens, and ask questions, and make my comments, and adjust my faith as time goes on....then so be it!!! Mind your own business. What if I were Jewish.....and really wanted to know more about Jesus??
Why is you having doubts about something on Christianity of any relevance or impact to you and your life anyway, are you Christian?
Every time I see a post from you, I cringe....because most of the time, you have nothing relevant to add to a discussion, you just feel a need to criticize somebody else. Why don't you just spend less time on these forums, and focus more on your chess game. Your rating proves my point.
28 May 15
Originally posted by twhiteheadMost translations of the bible interpret the original Greek into the word "Godhead". Robbie carrobie says that all these translations are wrong. Are you suggesting that all these scholars are as equally likely to be wrong as Robbie carrobie is likely to be correct. Notwithstanding that carrobie has not even put forward any evidence, all he has done is made a claim. So no, I won't be giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Well then I think we have to give Robbie the benefit of the doubt on this one. You have no good reason to claim his translation is worse than yours. I am not saying he is right, just that you don't know for a fact that he is wrong.
Were the rest of your verses also based on somewhat debatable interpretation?
28 May 15
Originally posted by chaney3No need to be so touchy, I'm just asking why you are so twisted up about this topic.
Am I not allowed to comment on a forum?? Do I need to send you a private message to ask permission to make some comments, or to give an opinion?? It is none of your business what my faith is!!!! It doesn't matter what I believe......If I am trying to understand who is in the Heavens, and ask questions, and make my comments, and adjust my faith as time goe ...[text shortened]... pend less time on these forums, and focus more on your chess game. Your rating proves my point.
