29 May 15
Originally posted by divegeesterLol, well.....I understand that seeking answers to the universe on a chess site may not be the best course of action, but....I am already here to play chess, stumbled upon these forums, and decided to throw myself into it. Besides, maybe I will come away from this with better clarity than when I started. God does work in mysterious ways....does He not?
Appreciate the honestly and openness. I think you may be positively surprised that despite the generally combative landscape of this forum, genuine enquiry is met with genuine response.
Most of us are here to argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff, but don't let that put you off.
29 May 15
Originally posted by chaney3Classification is of no value. Christ knows who his people are and its not necessarily Christians.
Yes, the God I believe in is the Biblical OT God. As far as the title "Christian", I am not even sure anymore what would 'classify' a person as Christian. Do you need to believe that Jesus is God to be a Christian??
Hey....keep in mind....this is NOT easy for me. I feel completely lost sometimes with my faith.....and I'm not looking for fights with a ...[text shortened]... ertain level of confusion and frustration attached to them.....but, that's where I am right now.
29 May 15
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Originally posted by chaney3So it is said, but I doubt you will find a scripture for it because it is not in the Bible.
...God does work in mysterious ways....does He not?
Most people here will not change there views because of what they read here, not atheist nor theists. This is not the place to find "truth". However there are many well meaning people here, both atheists and theists. This forum is like the Houses of Parliament, the Commons, people shouting at each other from the benches, entrenched in the party (albeit like myself a party of one), and determined to catch the other party out.
It's a little pathetic, but pretty much sums it up.
29 May 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyChrist and God are one. Very true. But in what sense. You, neither your pastors or teachers can interpret as you wish and hope to be correct. The Bible interprets itself if you just allow it to do so.
"15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, [b]Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He s ...[text shortened]... to six times each week. One at present is Bill Wenstrom. Whom may I ask is your pastor-teacher?[/b]
Here is Christ asking God to make his disciples one, just as he and God are one. Isnt that funny? Are the disciples one also in the way you described?
John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
29 May 15
Originally posted by chaney3Christ said:
Well, let's just say that I am interested in being one of 'Christ's people'.......what exactly are the requirements?
John 6:63 .. the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
John 8:31 .. If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed ..
John 10:27-28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
The words of Christ are his commandments - they are the spirit of Christ and they represent life eternal. The voice of Christ are his commandments and follwing these makes you one of Christ's disciples and one of those who will get eternal life.
How about starting another thread if you want to continue with this discussion as it is kinda offtopic.
29 May 15
Originally posted by divegeesterOriginally posted by divegeester
Appreciate the honestly and openness. I think you may be positively surprised that despite the generally combative landscape of this forum, genuine enquiry is met with genuine response.
Most of us are here to argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff, but don't let that put you off.
"Most of us are here to argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff, but don't let that put you off."
Any and all contributors to this online spirituality forum whose motivation is to "argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff" instead of engaging in "debate and general discussion of the supernatural, religion, and the life after" topics and issues is at best an interloper and at worst a distractive presence serving his or her own agenda rather than the cause of Christ.
29 May 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Christ and God are one. Very true. But in what sense. You, neither your pastors or teachers can interpret as you wish and hope to be correct. The Bible interprets itself if you just allow it to do so.
Here is Christ asking God to make his disciples one, just as he and God are one. Isnt that funny? Are the disciples one also in the way you described?
...[text shortened]... And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
"15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs. 16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep. 17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.” (John 21:15-17 KJV) Note: These three words are among the last Christ spoke to His disciples; and establish His number one priority for all pastor-teachers.
Sheep are unable to find water or food by themselves; this graphic metaphor emphasizes the necessity for all believers in Christ to expose themselves systematically to the accurate teaching of the Word of God in order to grow in grace and in doing so glorify God.."
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Jesus Christ taught men and women during the three year ministry of His First Advent; subsequently He has delegated this responsibility as "His number one priority for all pastor-teachers." because "Sheep are unable to find water or food by themselves."
Doctrine of the Trinity is unique to Christianity. Seeming paradox? Not quite. Three gods in one? No. God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit exist [and have always existed] as three separate and distinct persons who are coequal and coeternal, all possessing the same essential nature and divine attributes. "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) God is one in essence but in three persons.
Since my twenties I've been taught the promises, doctrinal rationales and application principles revealed in the sixty six books in the Word of God by six different pastor-teachers all of whom taught faithfully from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek [verse by verse, line upon line, precept upon precept] four to six times each week. One at present is Bill Wenstrom. Whom may I ask is your pastor-teacher?" (Page 7)
29 May 15
Originally posted by Rajk999Originally posted by Rajk999
[b]Classification is of no value. Christ knows who his people are and its not necessarily Christians.
Classification is of no value. Christ knows who his people are and its not necessarily Christians.
If they're not "Christians" who in world are they?
29 May 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWho? Maybe you should stop relying on fallible men to provide you with food. There is enough in the Bible for even the slowest to understand and believe:
Originally posted by Rajk999
Classification is of no value. Christ knows who his people are and its not necessarily Christians.
If they're not "Christians" who in world are they?
Then Peter said ... God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. (Acts 10:34-35 KJV)
Did you read that or is it too simple to believe.
GOD ACCEPTS ALL THOSE WHO WORK RIGHTEOUSNESS AND FEARS HIM.
Nothing to do with Christianity.
30 May 15
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDo you think you are "serving the cause of Christ" with your posting here?
Originally posted by divegeester
"Most of us are here to argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff, but don't let that put you off."
Any and all contributors to this online spirituality forum whose motivation is to "argue about stuff with other people who like to argue about stuff" instead of engaging in [i]"de ...[text shortened]... d at worst a distractive presence serving his or her own agenda rather than the cause of Christ.
30 May 15
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Originally posted by chaney3Read up on Nicodemus. Spiritual regeneration beings with spiritual rebirth, hence the much abused and often misunderstood term "born again".
Well, let's just say that I am interested in being one of 'Christ's people'.......what exactly are the requirements?
Read up on Romans 10 (I think it is). If you believe with your inmost being ('heart' is such a cliche), AND confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you will be saved. Note the inspired (given) ability to believe AND followed by doing. Lord is reference to Jehovah. Jesus said, unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins. Claiming to be the incarnation of Jehovah is why they killed him.