China rounds up Christians

@whodey said
So why do you think that the vast majority of Christendom things abortion is murder?

St. Augustine is considered a Christian doctrinal authority in all respects, helping to shape the Christian religion and finer points of doctrine and practices. His statements and teaching on abortion can be summarized in this quote: “The law does not provide that the act (abortion) pertains to homicide, for there cannot yet be said to be a live soul in a body that lacks sensation.” He was simply reiterating the traditional Jewish view…that the destruction of a fetus could be considered homicide only at a relatively late stage of fetal development.

Not only did the most well-known church theologians not take a strong stance on abortion, but neither do the most strict laws of the Old Testament. Anyone who has studied Old Testament law knows there is not much that isn’t addressed, from hair style to fabric choice! Yet, Ignacio Castuera in A Social History of Christian Thought on Abortion said, “The only passage that deals directly with the death of a fetus is Exodus 21: 23, which describes the penalty to be incurred for hurting a pregnant woman accidentally during a fight between two men. According to the Septuagint, if the fetus has not yet assumed complete human shape, the penalty is a monetary fine; but if the fetus is fully formed, the penalty is death. Thus, in ancient Israel, killing a fetus that was not viable was never considered murder.” Even today, most Jewish teachings hold that life begins not at conception but at birth and 83% of America Jews believe abortion should be legal in most cases.


Likewise, in the New Testament, there is no direct teaching on abortion. Jesus does not address the topic specifically and not one of His parables talks about ending a pregnancy. Neither do any of Paul’s letters mention abortion. Abortion was very prevalent in many of the places Paul visited – we know this from other historical texts, and as he mentions in his letters, these cities were brimming with prostitution and illicit sexual activity. In fact, Paul never had a problem speaking out on any topic he believed followers of Christ should pay attention to! This makes it very interesting that abortion was obviously not a topic of enough priority for Paul to mention because, contrary to the many people on Twitter who have confronted me with a challenge to “READ THE WORD ABOUT ABORTION,” he never does mention it. And Paul was not ambiguous or shy about addressing anything he deemed important for a Christian life.


(www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-truth-about-christianity-and-abortion)

@whodey said
@Suzianne

The issue is not what women can do with their bodies, the issue is what can you do with the body that they have been gifted with from having sex.

Universally available contraceptives? I suppose you mean the US tax payer provides every woman in the universe with "free" contraceptives, is that what you mean?

So why do you think that the vast majority of Christendom things abortion is murder?

NO, the issue IS the sovereignty of women's bodies. It might not be YOUR issue, but that is because it's not YOUR body. You do not own me, and you don't own any other women, either.

And that IS the issue here. What a godless violation of what Jesus called the second greatest commandment! How can you love your neighbor as yourself, if you cannot give them sovereignty over their OWN bodies? No, men like you feel that their control over women must not be infringed. And by refusing to make contraception universally available to ALL women of childbearing age, you show your authoritarian hand. Are you SO afraid of women that you must keep them confined and leashed?