Christ, the Ultimate Entitlement

Originally posted by @sonship
So we have some pushback concerning the words [b]portion as compared to entitlement.

But the passage should be understood that in ourselves we would be fully unqualified to have this inheritance. God has caused the believers to be entitled to what they otherwise would be forever excluded from.

Now this apportionment is also a PRIZE. And Pa ...[text shortened]... f the Godhead dwells in Him. And He is the allotted portion of each saint to own as their prize.[/b]

At your supper of words sir, 'Ultimate Entitlement' still sits uncomfortably at the table.

'Allotted portion's' there, so too 'inheritance', 'qualified' and 'prize.' One is left wondering however why none of them were deemed fit to headline in the title of the thread, giving way to a non-biblical phrase that apparently means the same thing.

Originally posted by @sonship

To all Chrtians?

You don't think the book of [b]Colossians is written to all Christians ?
I do.

The letter is addressed to " the saints in Colossae and faithful brothers in Christ Jesus."

God sovereignly included this letter as a benefit to the universal church. Don't you think that includes all Christians, who sho ...[text shortened]... enjoy this rich entitlement.
The spirit of the epistle is "Why not sooner rather than latter?"[/b]

You are free to belueve as you wish, just as those who call out to Jesus but are rejected.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
At your supper of words sir, 'Ultimate Entitlement' still sits uncomfortably at the table.

'Allotted portion's' there, so too 'inheritance', 'qualified' and 'prize.' One is left wondering however why none of them were deemed fit to headline in the title of the thread, giving way to a non-biblical phrase that apparently means the same thing.

At your supper of words sir, 'Ultimate Entitlement' still sits uncomfortably at the table.

Aren't you atheist that I have been familiar with for probably over a year ?
Should I expect anything I write here in support of the Gospel to "sit comfortably" with you?

Somehow I haven't been holding my breath for that.


'Allotted portion's' there, so too 'inheritance', 'qualified' and 'prize.' One is left wondering
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Being left wondering is allowed.


however why none of them were deemed fit to headline in the title of the thread, giving way to a non-biblical phrase that apparently means the same thing.

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Well, your pushback still seems pretty weak to me.

I showed that in my RcV and in other English renderings of portion some translators had inheritance . Why an inheritance could not also be described as an "entitlement" has not been demonstrated by you.

The Ultimate Entitlement aka ultimate inheritance aka ultimate privilege.
The concept is quite clear to many of us.

Here's further proof. In the book of Hebrews the new testament church is called "the church of the firstborn ones"

" But you have come forward to ... the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, ... and to the church of the firstborn ones who have been enrolled in the heavens ... and to the spirits of righteous men who have been made perfect ..." (See Hebrews 12:22,23)

If you took more seriously the Bible, you might realize that the phrase "the church of the firstborn ones" is an allusion to the right and position of the first born son. In OT the firstborn son enjoyed a double portion of the blessings of God.

Recall the story of how Esau, the firstborn son of Isaac, despised his "birthright" and sold it cheaply to his younger brother Jacob. He gave up certain special privileges and honors which were inherently his because of his position as the firstborn son.

" ... Esau, who for one meal gave up his birthright." (Heb. 12:16)

Esau carelessly relinquished his award of a double portion of the good land, for the sake of a meal. He fell from his position of the honor of the firstborn son.

The church of the firstborn is therefore an expression meaning the assembly of honored and privileged sons of God who are in a position to enjoy a special inheritance. Aka "a special and ultimate entitlement."

I think the OP sits quite comfortably.

Originally posted by @eladar
You are free to belueve as you wish, just as those who call out to Jesus but are rejected.

You are free to believe as you wish, just as those who call out to Jesus but are rejected.

One of the reasons that I believe that some Christians will be disciplined to not enjoy the inheritance of the kingdom in the kingdom age of the millennium is because the clear apostolic teaching of First Corinthians 3:14,15 tell us so so very plainly.

Concerning Christians being examined by Jesus at the start of the millennial kingdom -

" If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation [Christ] remains he will receive a reward.

if anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14,15)

It is going on five or six years now that I have expounded these verses. No one yet has leveled an effective rebuttal of my straightforward interpretation.

Some people saved forever will "suffer loss" dispensationally and temporarily.
Some people saved eternally, after the second coming of Christ, will not be rewarded but will "suffer loss" in the dispensation of the millennial kingdom.

But they will still be saved "yet so as through fire".

This will include some scolded by Christ as working in His name (supposedly) yet according to principles of lawlessness. They are workers of lawlessness. And they will suffer the loss of not only not being rewarded, but discipline during the thousand year reign of Christ.

So the believer who confesses the Lord Jesus and sets out to serve Him, must learn to serve Him according to the Father's will. That means by living by the Father's life in Christ dispensed to them.

For some Christians, though their TIMING is off, they will still be saved "yet so as through fire". That's what the Apostle Paul told us. No need to be annoyed with me for quoting him.

Originally posted by @sonship

At your supper of words sir, 'Ultimate Entitlement' still sits uncomfortably at the table.

Aren't you atheist that I have been familiar with for probably over a year ?
Should I expect anything I write here in support of the Gospel to "sit comfortably" with you?

Somehow I haven't been holding my breath for that.

[b]
'Allotted p ...[text shortened]... heritance. Aka "a special and ultimate entitlement."

I think the OP sits quite comfortably.

How can the OP sit comfortably sir in a thread called the ultimate entitlement, when in the very next post you say, "My version does not use the word entitlement though." 🙄

So you can 'aka' all you like, but that doesn't make the term any less non-biblical.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke

How can the OP sit comfortably sir in a thread called the ultimate entitlement, when in the very next post you say, "My version does not use the word entitlement though."

Didn't your mother tell you that rolling your eyes like that is not good for them ?

I honestly don't see any major problem between me writing "Christ, the Ultimate Entitlement" and soon after say that the word entitlement doesn't appear in my NT.

There are truths that appear in the word of God though certain words used to express those truths may not appear in the text.

Trinity is a useful word used to talk about the mysterious nature of God.
"Trinity" as a word is nowhere in the Bible.

Rapture is a useful word to talk about Christ snatching away from the earth certain believers who are watching and ready for His sudden coming. The word rapture, I am pretty sure doesn't appear in the text.

Substitution is a great word used to talk about how what Christ did for man on His cross can be applied FOR the believer, substituting Jesus in our place. The word "substitution" I don't think appears in the Bible.

So some words are not in the text, yet they are quite useful in teaching about the truth of the Gospel. And I submit that we can speak of the inheritance or the portion of the saints as an entitlement.


So you can 'aka' all you like, but that doesn't make the term any less non-biblical.

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The term being "non-biblical" does not mean that it can be non-expressive of the salvation.

Its funny how some atheists, under certain circumstances, suddenly begin to be real concerned for exactly what is written in the text of the Bible.

Christ is indeed the ultimate entitlement.
is there ANYTHING greater that any human being could be entitled to besides Jesus Christ Himself ? i don't think so.

As God told Abram that He Himself was Abraham's "exceeding great reward."

" After these things the word of Jehovah came to Abram in a vision, saying,

Do not be afraid, Abram, I am your shield and your exceedingly great reward." (Genesis 15:1)

Time to look at the surrounding verses some.

" To walk worthily of the Lord to please Him in all things, bearing fruit in every good work and growing by the full knowledge of God.

Being empowered with all power, according to the might of His glory, unto all endurance and long-suffering with joy,

Giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you for a share of the allotted portion of the saints in the light.

Who delivered us out of the authority of darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of His love,

In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins; " (Col. 1:10-14)

Immediately after this Paul begins in chapter two to explain how ultimate, all-inclusive, and un-exhaustible Christ there is as the allotted portion of the saints.

Another biblical word reminiscient of the word entitlement - Birthright

Googled up as defined thusly

birth·right
ˈbərTHˌrīt/Submit
noun
a particular right of possession or privilege one has from birth, especially as an eldest child.
synonyms: patrimony, inheritance, heritage; More
a natural or moral right, possessed by everyone.
"she saw a liberal education as the birthright of every child"

The new testament church is called "the church of the firstborn ones". That means the ones with an inherited birthright.

Of course these relates to the SECOND birth of being born again by the Holy Spirit.
It does not relate to the first natural birth.

Originally posted by @sonship
Another biblical word reminiscient of the word entitlement - [b]Birthright

Googled up as defined thusly

[quote] birth·right
ˈbərTHˌrīt/Submit
noun
a particular right of possession or privilege one has from birth, especially as an eldest child.
synonyms: patrimony, inheritance, heritage; More
a natural or moral right, possessed by everyone.
" ...[text shortened]... ND birth of being born again by the Holy Spirit.
It does not relate to the first natural birth.[/b]

Okay, will add 'Birthright' to 'Allotted portion,' 'inheritance', 'qualified' and 'prize.' Still no 'ultimate entitlement' hey?

Why you view it's biblical absence as unimportant is beyond me, seeing as you chose to run with it in the title of your thread, as opposed to the above terms that are there. - And yes, 'Trinity' isn't there either. You think mentioning this strengthens your case? 🙄

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Okay, will add 'Birthright' to 'Allotted portion,' 'inheritance', 'qualified' and 'prize.' Still no 'ultimate entitlement' hey?

Why you view it's biblical absence as unimportant is beyond me, seeing as you chose to run with it in the title of your thread, as opposed to the above terms that are there. - And yes, 'Trinity' isn't there either. You think mentioning this strengthens your case? 🙄

You think rolling your eyes around strengthens yours ?

I see no reason yet not to stand by what I have written here.
Give it another shot is you must.

You never did answer the question of what you considered a more ultimate entitlement than Jesus Christ ?

What is it ?

As I suspected, you're probably speechless about that.

Originally posted by @sonship
You think rolling your eyes around strengthens yours ?

I see no reason yet not to stand by what I have written here.
Give it another shot is you must.

You never did answer the question of what you considered a more ultimate entitlement than Jesus Christ ?

What is it ?

As I suspected, you're probably speechless about that.

There is no ultimate entitlement. (In or out of the bible).

Look, you can puff out your chest all you like and claim you are entitled to something, but still just come across like my 5 year old nephew who stamps his feet while believing he deserves the chocolate bar in the fridge.

Reality check. You are entitled to 'nothing'. (And biblically speaking, that includes Jesus). In life, and faith, you have to be deserving and earn what you are given. There is nothing you are entitled to, irrespective of your actions or behaviour,..nothing.

And I use that emoticon because 'it is there.' (The same can not be said for your ultimate entitlement).

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
How can the OP sit comfortably sir in a thread called the ultimate entitlement, when in the very next post you say, "My version does not use the word entitlement though." 🙄

So you can 'aka' all you like, but that doesn't make the term any less non-biblical.

Sonship copies this stuff from other people which is why he finds it so difficult to defend under pressure.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Sonship copies this stuff from other people which is why he finds it so difficult to defend under pressure.

Flush
Spray.

You're on permanent Ignore from me from now on.
Bye.

Originally posted by @sonship
You're on permanent Ignore from me from now on.
Bye.

Oh dear.

The best advice I can give you is to start a blog somewhere where you won't be challenged and get upset.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
There is no ultimate entitlement. (In or out of the bible).

Look, you can puff out your chest all you like and claim you are entitled to something, but still just come across like my 5 year old nephew who stamps his feet while believing he deserves the chocolate bar in the fridge.

Reality check. You are entitled to 'nothing'. (And biblically s ...[text shortened]... e that emoticon because 'it is there.' (The same can not be said for your ultimate entitlement).

There is no ultimate entitlement. (In or out of the bible).

But I take that as - that's just your unbelief speaking.
That's like old Pontius Pilate snorting at Jesus before him - " What is truth ? " (John 18:48)

Basically that is like being in the dark so long that one is afraid of the light.

Look, you can puff out your chest all you like and claim you are entitled to something, but still just come across like my 5 year old nephew who stamps his feet while believing he deserves the chocolate bar in the fridge.

I take that as just your imagination speaking.

Reality check. You are entitled to 'nothing'. (And biblically speaking, that includes Jesus). In life, and faith, you have to be deserving and earn what you are given. There is nothing you are entitled to, irrespective of your actions or behaviour,..nothing.

Don't get me wrong. This blessing of having Christ is not free from God's perspective. It is not an altogether free entitlement in that sense.

He paid the price, a great price, to secure it for man.

And I use that emoticon because 'it is there.' (The same can not be said for your ultimate entitlement).

That's your style.
That's not God's style.

Anyway, a price was paid to redeem fallen sinful men.
The question is to WHOM or to WHAT was a price paid to redeem this inheritance for us ?

The price was paid to the law of God.
Christ redeemed us out of the curse of the law of God.
Because we are all blood guilty before a Perfect and Righteous God under His law, the price was paid to buy our freedom from its condemnation.

" Christ has redeemed us out of the curse of the law, having become a curse on our behalf ... " (Gal. 3:13a)

By ultimate entitlement of right I do not mean that no one paid a price for it.

Now I know you don't believe. But you'd be well to contemplate that the price that God spent for you to come into this eternal inheritance was what was most precious to Him - His Son.

It was purchased not by silver or gold or diamonds or cash.
It was obtained by redemption for you with the precious life and blood of the Son of God.

That says not only something about His great worth ... but also yours and how much God loved you.