Christian Tolerance

Originally posted by Eladar
So you agree that homosexuality is sin?

Whether ANY behavior is, or is not, sin is not germane to this discussion. I notice you do this a lot, you introduce side issues and then claim there is some equivalence when that is not the point.

Only Pharisees waste their time judging others, and then withhold favor based on their judgement.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Whether ANY behavior is, or is not, sin is not germane to this discussion. I notice you do this a lot, you introduce side issues and then claim there is some equivalence when that is not the point.

Only Pharisees waste their time judging others, and then withhold favor based on their judgement.

Actually it is because we are discussing sin and acceptance of sin. We are instructed to hand the brother who is living in sin over to the devil.

You want to play games. That's fine.

Originally posted by Eladar
Actually it is because we are discussing sin and acceptance of sin. We are instructed to hand the brother who is living in sin over to the devil.

You want to play games. That's fine.

Then you are flat out ignoring the post which led you to attempt this subject-changing thread. You continue to avoid feeling any tolerance for others who are not like you. This is not what Jesus taught. We are told to love others as we love ourselves. Somehow you started believing that it is okay to hate and denigrate others, just because they are not like you.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Then you are flat out ignoring the post which led you to attempt this subject-changing thread. You continue to avoid feeling any tolerance for others who are not like you. This is not what Jesus taught. We are told to love others as we love ourselves. Somehow you started believing that it is okay to hate and denigrate others, just because they are not like you.

I have no problem with non christians living in sin, it is expected.

My only problem arises when the sin is introduced into the body and accepted.

Originally posted by Eladar
Glad to know that I am indeed tolerant. I'll need to correct the next liberal who accuses me of being intollerant.

Could you give an example of something about which you are tolerant, in the sense of having "endurance, fortitude" (in the face of pain, hardship, etc.)? Could anyone here?

If seems to me that the meaning of so-called Christian tolerance is disapproval without acting as you are called upon to act on that disapproval. Which is hypocritical on its face, unless there are Biblical entreaties not to act on one's Biblical disapproval.

Such as John 8.7 where Jesus tells the accusers of a woman of adultery, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Is this not widely applicable?

Originally posted by JS357
Could you give an example of something about which you are tolerant, in the sense of having "endurance, fortitude" (in the face of pain, hardship, etc.)? Could anyone here?

If seems to me that the meaning of so-called Christian tolerance is disapproval without acting as you are called upon to act on that disapproval. Which is hypocritical on its face, unles ...[text shortened]... t is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Is this not widely applicable?

Oh you mean in one definition of the term.

Blah blah blah

Originally posted by JS357
Could you give an example of something about which you are tolerant, in the sense of having "endurance, fortitude" (in the face of pain, hardship, etc.)? Could anyone here?

If seems to me that the meaning of so-called Christian tolerance is disapproval without acting as you are called upon to act on that disapproval. Which is hypocritical on its face, unles ...[text shortened]... t is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Is this not widely applicable?

What did casting stones mean?

Death penalty.

I do not propose we kill sinners so yes I am applying it.

Originally posted by Eladar
What did casting stones mean?

Death penalty.

I do not propose we kill sinners so yes I am applying it.

So Jesus meant, "Just don't kill her."

Huh.

Originally posted by JS357
So Jesus meant, "Just don't kill her."

Huh.

Yep.

Originally posted by Eladar
What did casting stones mean?

Death penalty.

I do not propose we kill sinners so yes I am applying it.

Good to see that you are against capital punishment.

Perhaps the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth are not completely lost on you.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Good to see that you are against capital punishment.

Perhaps the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth are not completely lost on you.

I am against capital punishment? By individuals, sure as long as the government does its job.

Originally posted by Eladar
I am against capital punishment? By individuals, sure as long as the government does its job.

So you do "propose we kill sinners" unlike you claimed.

Well, I figured that that was more likely the case. Thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

So much for "perhaps the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth are not completely lost on you."

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
So you do "propose we kill sinners" unlike you claimed.

Well, I figured that that was more likely the case. Thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt.

So much for "perhaps the teachings of Jesus while He walked the Earth are not completely lost on you."

Didn't recall Jesus saying that the government could not uphold capital punishment. Just liberal glasses ruuning your vision. Too much to the left for you. You should be more like me neither right nor left.

Originally posted by Eladar
Didn't recall Jesus saying that the government could not uphold capital punishment. Just liberal glasses ruuning your vision. Too much to the left for you. You should be more like me neither right nor left.

Oh, I get it.

When Jesus says this:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

What you see is this:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. [Except for those in government who should feel free to cast away. And for those who still condemn this woman to death, allow those in the government to serve as your proxy in casting your stone]."

And when you wrote:
"I do not propose we kill sinners."

What you meant was:
"I do not propose we kill sinners. 'We', of course, does not include those in government. I do propose we have those in government kill sinners."

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Oh, I get it.

When Jesus says this:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her."

What you see is this:
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. [Except for those in government who should feel free to cast away. And for those who still condemn this woman to death, allow those in the government ...[text shortened]... e, does not include those in government. I do propose we have those in government kill sinners."

Was he speaking to a individuals or the courts?

I'm sure you won't be able to see the difference.