07 Sep 20
@divegeester saidThanks for your thinly-constructed opinion.
There is no “difference” between another poster allegedly harassing some one you approve of, and YOU harassing someone YOU disapprove of.
There is no difference in principle, in ethics nor in the terms of service of this site.
You are a hypocrite.
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07 Sep 20
@ponderable saidI find it perpetually odd that in American politics referencing God is a real votes winner while in the UK it is more likely to be career ending.
That was not the Proposition. But that Trump would be seen as a model Christian by anyone seems to be funny or VERY depressing.
@ponderable saidI have heard nobody say any such thing except Trump haters who think that phrase will make their team look better.
That was not the Proposition. But that Trump would be seen as a model Christian by anyone seems to be funny or VERY depressing.
07 Sep 20
@bigdoggproblem saidI have no serious interest in American politics but from the little I know the first real step to removing God and the bible from schools, government and constitution started in 1962/63 when Kennedy [assassinated] and Johnson were presidents of the US and from the Democratic party. This process continued and every time the Democratic party gained power the process deepened and solidified.
News to me, and I live here.
Got any evidence for that claim?
Here is a recent example of a negative attitude toward Christians in govt office .. .. .. Democrat senators Kamala Harris and Mazie Hirono recently implied that Judge Buescher's membership in the two million-strong, 136-year-old Catholic service organization makes him unfit for the federal courts.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/todays_democrats_antichristian_antiisrael_antigod.html
Here is a recent article from a reliable source
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/31/democrats-ongoing-problem-with-god/
If you have another view then please share it. Thanks
07 Sep 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidIts simple. Elected officials reflect the type of people in society. The average American is still God fearing.
I find it perpetually odd that in American politics referencing God is a real votes winner while in the UK it is more likely to be career ending.
@rajk999 saidThe only mention of "God" in the US Constitution is at the end, when the date of signing is given as "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven".
I have no serious interest in American politics but from the little I know the first real step to removing God and the bible from schools, government and constitution started in 1962/63 when Kennedy [assassinated] and Johnson were presidents of the US and from the Democratic party. This process continued and every time the Democratic party gained power the process deepened ...[text shortened]... /jan/31/democrats-ongoing-problem-with-god/
If you have another view then please share it. Thanks
[https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript]
That is hardly a significant mention of the divine.
To underscore that this omission was done on purpose, there is amendment #1:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
[https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/United_States_of_America_1992]
The meaning of the 'establishment' clause has been bitterly contested in US courts. The prevailing interpretation is that it prevents the US government from formally endorsing any religion. I agree with this interpretation 100%.
So, "God" was never in the Constitution in any significant way, shape or form, to begin with. I believe this to be quite deliberate on the part of the Founding Fathers, who were big on letting everyone 'worship God in their own way'. This motivation goes back to the original Colonists, who resented their state-mandated membership in the Church of England. [I can get sources for this, if need be. They're out there.]
I am actually quite surprised by the amount of US Christians that are NOT for separation of church and state. They'd change their tune in a hurry if the government started 'characterizing or worshiping God incorrectly'.
08 Sep 20
@vivify saidNo. I'm talking about the America before the slaughter of 60 million innocent babies, before there was more porn stores than McDonald's restaurants, before the dumbing down of the population that now doesn't know the difference between historical fact and the delusional fiction produced by the liberal left.
You mean the racist segregationist America where women still bowed to their husband's every whim?
Yes, the left has destroyed that America you remember so fondly. Good riddance.
Try to remember which party it was that predominantly owned slaves and tried to secede from the union. Try to remember the party affiliation of John Wilkes Booth. Try to remember which party it was that controlled the southern states and created segregation and the suppression of the black man.
And try to remember James Earl Ray, his party affiliation and who he murdered. And don't forget which party it was, and is, that those who created the KKK and Jim Crow laws belong to.
The democrat party is still the same as ever, only now they're slipping in through the back door with deceit.
08 Sep 20
@ponderable saidModel Christian? What's that?
That was not the Proposition. But that Trump would be seen as a model Christian by anyone seems to be funny or VERY depressing.
I personally would find it difficult to defend Trump as a model Christian, but I haven't married my faith to politics either.
08 Sep 20
@bigdoggproblem saidWell said.
The only mention of "God" in the US Constitution is at the end, when the date of signing is given as "Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven".
[https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript]
That is hardly a significant mention of the divine.
To underscore that this omission was done on p ...[text shortened]... ange their tune in a hurry if the government started 'characterizing or worshiping God incorrectly'.
It would be despotic if a politician or government in this country tried to establish and endorse any particular form of religion.
08 Sep 20
@secondson saidA model Christian would be someone who is Living by their Creed. As acgristian being humble and open to mend their ways.
Model Christian? What's that?
I personally would find it difficult to defend Trump as a model Christian, but I haven't married my faith to politics either.
08 Sep 20
@SecondSon
Are there really more porn stores than McDonald's, or is this merely hyperbole?
(One can make the case that McDonald's is more detrimental to society than porn; porn is not inherently detrimental, while burgers full of Trans fat are.)
08 Sep 20
@secondson saidIt's pretty telling that conservatives constantly have to go back two centuries to validate themselves.
No. I'm talking about the America before the slaughter of 60 million innocent babies, before there was more porn stores than McDonald's restaurants, before the dumbing down of the population that now doesn't know the difference between historical fact and the delusional fiction produced by the liberal left.
Try to remember which party it was that predominantly owned slav ...[text shortened]... rat party is still the same as ever, only now they're slipping in through the back door with deceit.
If Republicans are racist ones NOW, what does it matter the Dems *used* to be like that many decades ago? It's the Democrats who signed the Civil Rights Act and have since been the party that FAR better represents minorities. This is why the first black candidate for a major party ran for the Democrats; that's why the first black president was a Democrat and the first woman to win the nomination for a major party was a Democrat.
If Republicans want to claim that they're for minorities, they need to stop bringing up two centuries ago and stop being racist NOW.
Regarding MLK, James Earl Ray has long been disputed as his killer. In fact, even the King family disputes this:
history.com/news/who-killed-martin-luther-king-james-earl-ray-mlk-assassination
Why Martin Luther King’s Family Believes James Earl Ray Was Not His Killer
And poof, there go all your arguments.
08 Sep 20
@bigdoggproblem saidProbably. Who goes to a porn store anymore?
@SecondSon
Are there really more porn stores than McDonald's, or is this merely hyperbole?
08 Sep 20
@ponderable saidThat is correct. Thank God for repentance when one fails.
A model Christian would be someone who is Living by their Creed. As acgristian being humble and open to mend their ways.