28 Dec 09
Originally posted by mjolnirHow would Islam respond? It would respond Along Rushdie style.
Out of interest, what would you do if a man claimed to be a prophet sent by Allah and said that Muhammad received the garbled translation? This is obviously unlikely, but I'd be rather interested in how Islam would respond.
28 Dec 09
Originally posted by mjolnirThey'd bomb something. 😕
Out of interest, what would you do if a man claimed to be a prophet sent by Allah and said that Muhammad received the garbled translation? This is obviously unlikely, but I'd be rather interested in how Islam would respond.
29 Dec 09
Originally posted by generalissimoso what, just because they worship the messenger (or say they do) it doesn't mean they're following the message.
[b]1. More people have died in Jesus' name than anyone else's. Does that mean that nobody who kills is Christian?
so what, just because they worship the messenger (or say they do) it doesn't mean they're following the message.
3. Most terrorists are not Muslim; terrorism is fairly equal throughout the political spectrum
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is it fair to say there is a certain degree of anti-semitism involved?[/b]
Really? Given the number of massacres carried out in the Old Testament, I'd like to dispute that.
that's a non-sequitur, nobody's talking politics, regardless of politics there is a great deal of islamic terrorist groups out there, why is that? are muslims somohow inclined to be violent?
You mentioned terrorists. You were the one that brought politics into it. I was disputing what you said.
yes, but having all faith in the world doesn't give you an excuse to kill innocent people. but then again, he didn't kill in the name of God, he killed political opponents, thats completely different.
Apparently you weren't alive before 1975. He claimed to be defending Spain from the godless and anti-Catholic.
is it fair to say there is a certain degree of anti-semitism involved?
In some cases, yes. However, don't make it into an anti-Semitic vs. non-anti-Semitic thing.
29 Dec 09
Originally posted by mjolnirHave you ever heard of the Bahai faith?
Out of interest, what would you do if a man claimed to be a prophet sent by Allah and said that Muhammad received the garbled translation? This is obviously unlikely, but I'd be rather interested in how Islam would respond.
29 Dec 09
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Originally posted by scherzoReally? Given the number of massacres carried out in the Old Testament, I'd like to dispute that.
[b]so what, just because they worship the messenger (or say they do) it doesn't mean they're following the message.
Really? Given the number of massacres carried out in the Old Testament, I'd like to dispute that.
that's a non-sequitur, nobody's talking politics, regardless of politics there is a great deal of islamic terrorist groups out there, ome cases, yes. However, don't make it into an anti-Semitic vs. non-anti-Semitic thing.
what does that have to do with anything?
The alleged actions of some jews more than a thousand years ago were somehow influential in Franco's treatment of political opponents? I doubt it.
You mentioned terrorists. You were the one that brought politics into it. I was disputing what you said.
their terrorism is also based on their religion, isn't Islam's treatment of infidels known to be harsh?
Apparently you weren't alive before 1975. He claimed to be defending Spain from the godless and anti-Catholic.
No, I wasn't. The godless and anti-catholic, aka communists.
In some cases, yes
there you go, you said it yourself!
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31 Dec 09
Originally posted by generalissimowhat does that have to do with anything?
Really? Given the number of massacres carried out in the Old Testament, I'd like to dispute that.
what does that have to do with anything?
The alleged actions of some jews more than a thousand years ago were somehow influential in Franco's treatment of political opponents? I doubt it.
You mentioned terrorists. You were the one that broug ...[text shortened]... some cases, yes
there you go, you said it yourself!
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The alleged actions of some jews more than a thousand years ago were somehow influential in Franco's treatment of political opponents? I doubt it.
Noah's Flood? Sodom and Gomorrah? Samson's massacre? I didn't necessarily say they influenced Franco in particular, but all this violence can't be a good influence.
their terrorism is also based on their religion, isn't Islam's treatment of infidels known to be harsh?
No. I'm not disputing that some Muslims have hard feelings toward so-called "infidels" based on nothing more than religion. But it's far from the general ideology of Muslims.
No, I wasn't. The godless and anti-catholic, aka communists.
And Protestants, and Jews, and atheists, and Muslims.
there you go, you said it yourself!
You read selectively, my friend.
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Originally posted by scherzoNoah's Flood? Sodom and Gomorrah? Samson's massacre? I didn't necessarily say they influenced Franco in particular, but all this violence can't be a good influence.
[b]what does that have to do with anything?
The alleged actions of some jews more than a thousand years ago were somehow influential in Franco's treatment of political opponents? I doubt it.
Noah's Flood? Sodom and Gomorrah? Samson's massacre? I didn't necessarily say they influenced Franco in particular, but all this violence can't be a good influe yourself![/b]
You read selectively, my friend.
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It was normals for the standards of the day. Only a fool would take these stories literally, or as an excuse for violence.
Also, what about "love thy neighbor" did Franco completely ignore this despite being a so-called christian?
No. I'm not disputing that some Muslims have hard feelings toward so-called "infidels" based on nothing more than religion. But it's far from the general ideology of Muslims.
Well, I haven't seen many muslims condenming the actions of extremists, do they turn a blind eye or do they secretly support these actions?
You read selectively, my friend.
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when did I do that? any evidence?
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01 Jan 10
Originally posted by generalissimoIt was normals for the standards of the day. Only a fool would take these stories literally, or as an excuse for violence.
[b]Noah's Flood? Sodom and Gomorrah? Samson's massacre? I didn't necessarily say they influenced Franco in particular, but all this violence can't be a good influence.
It was normals for the standards of the day. Only a fool would take these stories literally, or as an excuse for violence.
Also, what about "love thy neighbor" did Franco compl ...[text shortened]... Sch: 0
Still going.[/b]
when did I do that? any evidence?
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So was polygamy in Mohammed's day, yet people still spout that as if it indicts the Prophet or the entire religion.
Also, what about "love thy neighbor" did Franco completely ignore this despite being a so-called christian?
Maybe he just took it too literally. Spain had good relations with Portugal under Franco and Salazar, respectively.
Well, I haven't seen many muslims condenming the actions of extremists, do they turn a blind eye or do they secretly support these actions?
From what sources do you not see this? Because they do.
when did I do that? any evidence?
I said very clearly, "in some cases," which means, "not in all cases."
01 Jan 10
Originally posted by scherzoSo was polygamy in Mohammed's day, yet people still spout that as if it indicts the Prophet or the entire religion.
[b]It was normals for the standards of the day. Only a fool would take these stories literally, or as an excuse for violence.
So was polygamy in Mohammed's day, yet people still spout that as if it indicts the Prophet or the entire religion.
Also, what about "love thy neighbor" did Franco completely ignore this despite being a so-called christia ...[text shortened]... evidence?
I said very clearly, "in some cases," which means, "not in all cases."[/b]
you're right.
Maybe he just took it too literally. Spain had good relations with Portugal under Franco and Salazar, respectively
good one.
Because they do.
you might well be right, but I haven't seen any.
I said very clearly, "in some cases," which means, "not in all cases."
but you still said I did it.
02 Jan 10
Originally posted by generalissimogood one.
[b]So was polygamy in Mohammed's day, yet people still spout that as if it indicts the Prophet or the entire religion.
you're right.
Maybe he just took it too literally. Spain had good relations with Portugal under Franco and Salazar, respectively
good one.
Because they do.
you might well be right, but I haven't seen ...[text shortened]... ly, "in some cases," which means, "not in all cases."[/b]
but you still said I did it.[/b]
OK, so maybe Franco needed to reread the New Testament. He was still very Christian.
you might well be right, but I haven't seen any
Then you've not been looking very carefully.
but you still said I did it.
I never said you did anything. I just said that some terrorists, including Islamic ones, are anti-Semitic and use anti-Semitism as justification for their crimes. You seemed to take that as the mainstream opinion.