09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Rank outsiderCould well be. If so, he'd be right at home in the Red Hot Pawn Spirituality Forum. Chuck's old enough to become a member.
What does Chuck think?
Maybe he approves of someone who actually answers his questions and is prepared to enter into a conversation as opposed to just saying a lot of meaningless things and boring the pants off everyone?
Maybe you could mentor him in chess and manhood. Who knows? Maybe he'll appear one of these days as chuckiechess13.
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWell that's a pathetic response.
Sadly, you still lack the minimal frame of reference as well as the desire and will to aquire one.
What is this 'minimal frame of reference'?
And why does it matter whether someone has it or not?
Try explaining something for once in your life rather than simply assuming
anyone who doesn't already understand you is stupid.
I do not live in your world... almost nobody does.
I do not have your frame of reference... almost nobody does.
So if you want people to understand you you must EXPLAIN your frame of reference and point of view.
Can you comprehend this?
If so, would you please remove your head from your a**e and actually engage with us.
Originally posted by googlefudge"What is this 'minimal frame of reference?"
Well that's a pathetic response.
What is this 'minimal frame of reference'?
And why does it matter whether someone has it or not?
Try explaining something for once in your life rather than simply assuming
anyone who doesn't already understand you is stupid.
I do not live in your world... almost nobody does.
I do not have your fra ...[text shortened]... nd this?
If so, would you please remove your head from your a**e and actually engage with us.
The board is square. It has sixty four squares. There are six different playing pieces. One color is white. The other color is black. Some of the pieces are more powerful than others. There are six different pieces. Most important one is called the king. Most powerful one is appropriately called the queen. Then come two rooks, two bishops, two knights and eight pawns. Each side has a total of sixteen pieces (1 king, 1 queen, 2 rooks, 2 bishops and 2 knights = 8 + 8 pawns = 16). Any questions so far, chuckiechess13? 'No. I've made some notes. Before bed I'll look at them again.' Good. See you Thursday.
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI know the rules of chess and how to play it.
[b]"What is this 'minimal frame of reference?"
The board is square. It has sixty four squares. There are six different playing pieces. One color is white. The other color is black. Some of the pieces are more powerful than others. There are six different pieces. Most important one is called the king. Most powerful one is appropriately called the ...[text shortened]... No. I've made some notes. Before bed I'll look at them again.' Good. See you Thursday.
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If that is the "minimal frame of reference" then I have it.
However knowing the rules of and how to play chess is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
As is your post.
Try again. (and try harder)
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by googlefudgeMetaphor, gf. Any technical topic requires a grounding in basic definitions,
I know the rules of chess and how to play it.
If that is the "minimal frame of reference" then I have it.
However knowing the rules of and how to play chess is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
As is your post.
Try again. (and try harder)
principles and rules. Chess was the simplest metaphor that came to mind.
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOh FFS.
Metaphor, gf. Any technical topic requires a grounding in basic definitions,
principles and rules. Chess was the simplest metaphor that came to mind.
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To communicate we need a common frame of reference.
I get this. I keep saying this. I don't need a metaphor to understand this.
YOU are alleging that I don't get your point of view because I lack your reference frame.
To which my response is "THEN TELL ME WHAT YOUR REFERENCE FRAME IS".
Why is this difficult for you to grasp?
I don't want an example of what a set of rules are.
I want to know what set of rules you think this discussion is running under.
Telling me what a different set of rules (that I already know) is, is just utterly pointless and idiotic.
IF SOMEONE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND YOU THEN EXPLAIN YOURSELF BETTER.
IF THEY DON'T SHARE THE REQUISITE REFERENCE FRAME THEN EXPLAIN THAT AS WELL.
This is not difficult.
I don't understand you. Explain yourself better.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhat an interesting world if doctors, scientists, engineers et cetera were not
Metaphor, gf. Any technical topic requires a grounding in basic definitions,
principles and rules. Chess was the simplest metaphor that came to mind.
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taught anything concrete at University but instead were taught in metaphors!
... interesting that is until you need a heart bypass ...
Originally posted by googlefudgeHere's our common frame of reference (and then some):
Oh FFS. <<< ?
To communicate we need a common frame of reference.
I get this. I keep saying this. I don't need a metaphor to understand this.
YOU are alleging that I don't get your point of view because I lack your reference frame.
To which my response is "THEN TELL ME WHAT YOUR REFERENCE FRAME IS".
Why is this difficult for you to THAT AS WELL.
This is not difficult.
I don't understand you. Explain yourself better.
"For God loved the world so much, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that anyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not judged but he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the person of the unique Son of God." (John 3:16-18)
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Satan's Priority One
"Satan's Priority One is to pervert God's love in the minds of men and women. He does so to perpetuate the age old question, 'How can God be so unfair as to condemn and sentence anyone to an eternal lake of fire?' Some say that Scripture reveals the answer to this otherwise unanswerable question. What say you?"
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"I'll just ask you. Is there any reason why anyone should believe your claims that people will be condemned and sentenced to "an eternal lake of fire"? Originally posted by FMF
In His awesome glory, God can never compromise any of the attributes of His character. Couldn't. If He did, he wouldn't be God. Therefore, His righteousness and justice (or standards of fairness) cannot be altered in order to deal with imperfect creatures... solely out of love."
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Hells_Truth/hell_in_the_scriptures.htm
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"Do you have any evidence that it has happened to anyone, anywhere, at any time, ever?"
"Empirical, no."
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Roles reversed, I'd be frustrated beyond words. My dichotomous being (body and souls sans human spirit) wouldn't have a clue. You might as well be talking with me about some esoteric topic in an obsolete foreign language or some technical formula in some numbering system no longer in vogue. Step one, faith alone in Christ alone; or in the metaphor with Chuck, "It's Thursday, chuckiechess13. Let's set up the pieces. You're white. Game on!"
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09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou appear to be living in a delusional world.
Here's our common frame of reference (and then some):
"For God loved the world so much, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that anyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not judged but he who do ...[text shortened]... chuckiechess13. Let's set up the pieces. You're white. Game on!"
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Death is death no matter what way you look at it.
All your talk of temporal death, operational death and positional death
is meaningless garbage that holds no relevance and makes no sense.
Death is the end of your life and you and I know that you won't be coming back.
Your permanent address is six feet of dirt same as everyone else will inherit
when they die.
Nothing you say or do can change this.
I have asked you before and you have not answered the questions
I and others have put to you. Questions about how you believe there is a god
and an afterlife. All you reply with are passages from fables written by men
long dead.
No one on this earth can prove beyond all reasonable doubt that there is a god
or an afterlife.
I defy you to prove me wrong. For all you have said all you have to offer
is faith and false hope. You have no facts to offer.
Faith can be wrong and hope can be taken away.
Only facts remain true and cannot be overturned by anything or anyone.
Facts are what science is based on.
Facts are what morality is based on.
Facts are what law and justice are based on.
Only factual evidence carries any weight in this harsh world.
If you want fairy tales maybe you should move to Disneyworld.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by johnnylongwoody
You appear to be living in a delusional world.
Death is death no matter what way you look at it.
All your talk of temporal death, operational death and positional death
is meaningless garbage that holds no relevance and makes no sense.
Death is the end of your life and you and I know that you won't be coming back.
Your permanent address is ...[text shortened]... es any weight in this harsh world.
If you want fairy tales maybe you should move to Disneyworld.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou tube is certainly not an authoritative form of reference for anything.
[b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp8Zxx4k6f4[/b]
I dislike it when people throw links at me instead of communicating.
You are probably a very nice man and I was always taught to respect my elders,
but you must understand in this day and age of enlightenment and higher education
for all including women I'm glad to say you must realize that you have been
conditioned from an early age to think the way that you do.
So you probably know nothing else other than what you had all your life.
I do not believe that religion has any answers for man.
Man must drag himself up and learn and fend for himself rather than wait
in false hope for some supreme being to jump out of the sky and make
everything right for him.
Religion has caused more trouble in the world when what it was meant to do
was exactly the opposite.
If there was a god up there do you not think he would make himself plain?
If he did then there would only be one religion instead of the many that
exist in the world today all saying different things and all of them claiming
to be correct.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by johnnylongwoody(Luke 12:16-21)
You tube is certainly not an authoritative form of reference for anything.
I dislike it when people throw links at me instead of communicating.
You are probably a very nice man and I was always taught to respect my elders,
but you must understand in this day and age of enlightenment and higher education
for all including women I'm glad ...[text shortened]... at
exist in the world today all saying different things and all of them claiming
to be correct.
09 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyOnce again you are guilty of not thinking for yourself.
(Luke 12:16-21)
The MAN who allegedly wrote that was a MAN.
He was not a GOD. How many time was something told
or written and was later proven wrong?
This one last time I will ask you, and I will thank you
not to throw links at me or quotes from any bible or book.
Use your own brain to answer me.
Can you prove beyond all reasonable doubt that there is a god
and an afterlife. Can you do this by producing incontrovertible evidence
of FACTS not fairy tales.
I put it to you that you cannot.
There is not one single person on this whole planet
that can prove to the rest of us that there is a god
and or an afterlife. Not one single person
for the simple reason that there is no factual evidence.
You cannot provide factual evidence isn't that so?
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10 Jan 13
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIs there anyone here who has any clue what it is GB is trying to say and can manage to
Here's our common frame of reference (and then some):
"For God loved the world so much, that He gave His uniquely born Son, that anyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life. God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not judged but he who do ...[text shortened]... chuckiechess13. Let's set up the pieces. You're white. Game on!"
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explain it in plain English?
Because GB is evidently utterly incapable of coherently explaining anything.
GB. That was a disjointed and incoherent unholy mess.
The purpose of an explanation is that after hearing it you understand what it was that was
being explained.
After that post, I have no more idea of what the hell you are talking about than I did before it.
It can thus be regarded as a complete and utter failure.
Try again.
"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."1Corinthians. 1:18
"For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe." 1Corinthians 1:21
"But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (discerned)." 1Corinthians 2:14 (NASB all)
If anyone here rejects Christ, why read? If anyone here believes these scriptural truths are garbage galore, why reply. If anyone here has come to the conclusion that the thread's author is full of prunes, ignore him. Pressure is what life does to us all; stress is what we do to ourselves. If anyone in this room is experiencing stress while tuned in to the conversation, the causes are most likely an awful vacuum left by the rejection of Christ; or the ignorance that remains from ignoring the scriptures posted; or the irritation created by the friction of two diverse personalities and styles; or indisgestion from worries on the job or bad food. Options: a) Persevere/ponder in the interest of breakthrough or clarification; b) Soldier on.
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