Spirituality
25 Sep 12
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitI am sure I can be beaten at crazy ideas around here. 🙂 Anyway, all in a good cause.
I'm sure your material will impress the other judges. I'll be like the low score in Olympic judging. Just throw it out. 🙂
However, I am somewhat persuaded that crop circles are in most cases evidence of a form of "alien" communication. Hence, I also believe we are not alone in this wide universe, and "others" know a lot more than we do right now. Some may call that an entry.
I have not yet been abducted.
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by TaomanHey! Now we're talking. Nothing like some kooky Art-Bell-type alien abduction stories to liven up a thread.
I am sure I can be beaten at crazy ideas around here. 🙂 Anyway, all in a good cause.
However, I am somewhat persuaded that crop circles are in most cases evidence of a form of "alien" communication. Hence, I also believe we are not alone in this wide universe, and "others" know a lot more than we do right now. Some may call that an entry.
I have not yet been abducted.
So, how did they do it? They came all that way just to carve up some cornfields and then went back to their home world? Or are they lurking about watching us try to decode the message?
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by TaomanI see very little reason to blame it on aliens other than popular culture and wishful thinking. Surely blaming it on fairies would be much more exciting (and just as likely).
However, I am somewhat persuaded that crop circles are in most cases evidence of a form of "alien" communication.
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by SwissGambitFirstly lets have a brief look at details.
Hey! Now we're talking. Nothing like some kooky Art-Bell-type alien abduction stories to liven up a thread.
So, how did they do it? They came all that way just to carve up some cornfields and then went back to their home world? Or are they lurking about watching us try to decode the message?
Putting aside the few hoaxes around (very, very crude copies) the scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point. They have obviously not just been pushed over.
The highly complex and meaningful designs over a large area appear in very brief time, often with witnesses at close periods before and after. Some have witnessed light phenomenon and sounds. Evidence of forms of radiation have been recorded.
But above all the designs over a large area are very precise and often highly complex, such that it is inconceivable they could be done manually unobserved over a few hours. The comparison with the few hoax attempts are obvious in the crudity of form. If they are of human origin, some technology is being used that is not widely known and then we ask why again?
Now, as to why this may be done in this manner. The questions are serious ones. presuming some alien form (its unclear what the blue light balls/sounds were, that were sometimes noticed.)
We can only presume scenarios. If they are moderately aware of the 'touchy' and volatile defense mechanisms of the human race, caution and indirect communication may be wise. Wise beings may be aware of the panic and fearful effect on our societies if there was sudden appearance. Who knows? They may just be "playing". Its a question still in my mind. But the evidence appears strong that these meaningful signs have a most unusual provenance. I'm a "believer".
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by Taomanthe scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point.
Firstly lets have a brief look at details.
Putting aside the few hoaxes around (very, very crude copies) the scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point. They have obviously not just been pushed over.
The highly complex and meaningful designs over a large area appear in very brief time, often with witnesses at ...[text shortened]... ears strong that these meaningful signs have a most unusual provenance. I'm a "believer".
I've heard this but never actually seen any peer-reviewed data on it. Do you have a link?
28 Sep 12
Originally posted by TaomanDetails please. What are these 'weird molecular changes' that never quite made it into a peer reviewed journal?
....the scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point.
They have obviously not just been pushed over.
Where is the comparative scientific study which tested the stalks of a known hoax and one of the supposedly 'special' sites? (Remember that the scientists testing must not know which is the hoax.).
But above all the designs over a large area are very precise and often highly complex, such that it is inconceivable they could be done manually unobserved over a few hours.
The most complex designs I have seen were known hoaxes (sometimes with video evidence to proove they did it).
The comparison with the few hoax attempts...
The wikipedia page on the subject says one pair of pranksters claim to have made over 200. Are they lying or is your 'few' a bit off the mark?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle
Note also that the phenomena only took off and went world wide after publicity created by those pranksters.
If they are of human origin, some technology is being used that is not widely known and then we ask why again?
Yet an unknown human origin is still a more rational explanation than aliens.
29 Sep 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobJust one that I can find: http://humansarefree.com/2011/08/scientific-studies-confirm-crop-circles.html
[b]the scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point.
I've heard this but never actually seen any peer-reviewed data on it. Do you have a link?[/b]
Any scientist who wants to keep his position/funding is brave indeed to submit this yet, whatever its possible validities, which is one of the flaws of the peer review system. It has inherent prior bias against non mainstream studies, and full studies must be funded. The science arena does not admit some into the door for proper examination, then decries anything without 'peer review'.
Nevertheless, I do not place it as fully verified, particularly as to origin, yet. But there appears legitimate room for serious questioning, beyond discarding it as "hoax" immediately. There are anomalies that do not concur with that simplistic diagnosis.
I said 'molecular changes'. That may be not an accurate scientific description of the changes. Perhaps you may elucidate what constitutes a molecular change? I presumed that would be necessary for what has been manifested. But some inexplicable changes are evident, that are not consistent with mere bending.
Whether the phenomenon are physically extraterrestial in origin is also open to question. Is it a possible "interdimensional" phenomenon? The beauty and significance of the many patterns is undeniable. I am definitely not convinced at all of the "hoax" throwaway.
Here are some links:
http://www.greatdreams.com/crop/hoax/hoax.htm
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/biophysical.html
http://www.bltresearch.com/
29 Sep 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadI refer you to the links in my post to Proper Knob.
Details please. What are these 'weird molecular changes' that never quite made it into a peer reviewed journal?
[b]They have obviously not just been pushed over.
Where is the comparative scientific study which tested the stalks of a known hoax and one of the supposedly 'special' sites? (Remember that the scientists testing must not know which is t ...[text shortened]... gain? [/b]
Yet an unknown human origin is still a more rational explanation than aliens.[/b]
There are hoaxes but it appears you have not pursued this subject beyond the "hoax" sites. Other involved sources have examined the hoax incidents in detail and links will be found in the sites I have pointed to. Hoaxes in this subject are a central discussion. As I recall the claim that some hoaxers have made about doing "200" has not been verified, and appears quite unlikely. From both CC hoax and CC non-hoax sources, we can get media superficiality, making unsubstantiated claims. Comparative studies show a general level of crudity and structural inaccuracy of design in the hoax sites that is not evident. There are some simple ones that are better.
A human origin would of course be a viable explanation for the phenomenon, when established. But there are anomalies with that explanation too. Why is an apparent advanced 'human' technology being used in such a manner repeatedly over many years and nothing has been uncovered? The strangeness of the phenomenon allows for different theories to be explored, within scientific investigation, particularly when what science that has been performed (see links) has produced inexplicable results.
I have many questions myself about "aliens" (a pejorative word that has become).
Primarily, the distance-time that would be involved (at our current level of scientific knowledge), the reasons for direct non-disclosure, etc. But I also find it inconceivable we are the only intelligent beings in this Universe to have evolved.
I remain open to the possibility.
29 Sep 12
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Originally posted by Taoman'They' are waiting for the right time ,(to reveal themselves collectively). They know "Man" is 'evolving', but not as quick as they would have liked them too. (btw, I am writing this post before I read any others so ...)
Firstly lets have a brief look at details.
Putting aside the few hoaxes around (very, very crude copies) the scientific examination of the stalks show most unusual molecular changes at the bend point. They have obviously not just been pushed over.
The highly complex and meaningful designs over a large area appear in very brief time, often with witnesses at ears strong that these meaningful signs have a most unusual provenance. I'm a "believer".
They have tried to "artificially stimulate" this 'evolution' and it seems it will be a success beyond 'everyone's' wildest dreams. Still, unlike Noahs ark, there is still plenty more room for more folk for what will be the most emphatic,intelligent, mind-blowing , enlightening ,unifying PARTY to end all unifying parties.......WHOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOO Rock Taoman - or waltz or whatever ...hheheheh. I love it.
As you have pointed out to this forum again, crop circles deserve a closer examination. (And just as I saw my first and only broad daylight ufo , I did not rule out automatically that they weren't piloted (or even remote-piloted) by humans of this Earth).
My research has reveal a somewhat humorous set of "jokes" laid out by the...( lets call them 'visitors' for now) . Scientists would monitor a few fields where there was known activity (England, somewhere) . After the 13th day they got bored and moved all their equipment. Well you know what happened, don't ya? Yep. A crop circle the next day. hihihi
Another time a scientist fell asleep, his equipment was inexplicably faulty/not working(?), and a crop circle was there when when he awoke. The scientist swore he had only dozed a matter of minutes ,(confirmed by his watch)
29 Sep 12
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I talked to an aborigonal "cousin", in what they refer to as Bundgalung*, (which you consider a 'country' within the 300+ different "countries"(dialects) that made up Australia before the whiteys came, not much more than 200 years ago ... ), anyway I was with a friend who had actually just done his three years "penance" or whatever them Buddhists do to become ordained monks, to become an ordained monk, not 4 weeks.
(Actually after he became ordained , the Tibetan monk who ordained him was getting a lift from my newly ordained Buddhist mate, who fell asleep at the wheel , going about 110km/hour. They rolled the car several times.The monk was literally, totally unscathed ,except for his glasses, which were broken in half . He was just sitting there in the hospital , waiting for hours along with some relatives of my friend began to arrive at the hospital. Turns out my friend just had to be thoroughly examined and except for some minor cuts and scratches (more synonymous with bicycle accidents),he was fine!!! )
So after sussing us out both our aboriginal cousin turns to us and says : "Do you wanna hear a story? "
Us :" Yeah"
Cousin: "Ok, back in the old days -NOT IN THE DREAMTIME- there used to be a groups of old fellas who used to stand around all the day , but away from the rest of the mob, see(?). One would come to get some food and give the mob some of their food. They were together, but they weren't .See. Anyway when a young fella ,(puberty?), has (the) dream he gets curious and want to know why the old fellas stay away from the rest of tribe.
So they find out. All the elders know, even the women, they just don't talk about it and if asked they would do it in private, if at all.
"You gotta chop off your penis" says the woman blandly, like she was saying, 'pick up that rock'. The young man usually has no follow up questions. If they want to know more they "go within". Either by dreaming or meditating -even hunting.
And some of them finally do it and become one of Them...
I assume they're old fellas because they weigh up their options and think, heck, I can get some pussy for a few years and still become a penis-chopping monk later. 🙂 "
All of a sudden some of his 'sisters', barged through the doorway he was telling this story to us in and the whole flow was lost. Plus he had to go and we had to go. All of a sudden.
As for signs of lying , both me and my Buddhist were discussing every little detail we could think of and, at the time, we both agreed he was telling the truth.
*Bundjalung refers to from the Brisbane area and down to (upper) Northern New South Wales area , which has the most mountainous regions of that area , Mt.Warning, being it's centre and highest point. (More people (than should have) died trying to get to the peak )
29 Sep 12
Originally posted by TaomanHere's one fired back. It's a website about making crop circles -
Just one that I can find: http://humansarefree.com/2011/08/scientific-studies-confirm-crop-circles.html
Any scientist who wants to keep his position/funding is brave indeed to submit this yet, whatever its possible validities, which is one of the flaws of the peer review system. It has inherent prior bias against non mainstream studies, and full studies m ...[text shortened]... tm
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/biophysical.html
http://www.bltresearch.com/
http://www.circlemakers.org/
Here's a page from the site about a New Zealand documentary in which three 'circlemakers' were asked to produce a complex design, at night, in under 4 hours. This pattern is 300 ft in diameter with 100 flattened circles.
http://www.circlemakers.org/nztrip.html
29 Sep 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobThanks for the links. As I said these hoaxers are the subject of closer examination by those genuinely interested in CCs., than a BBC show. Here's is an extensive page examining this group and it's claims in detail.
Here's one fired back. It's a website about making crop circles -
http://www.circlemakers.org/
Here's a page from the site about a New Zealand documentary in which three 'circlemakers' were asked to produce a complex design, at night, in under 4 hours. This pattern is 300 ft in diameter with 100 flattened circles.
http://www.circlemakers.org/nztrip.html
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/circlemakers.html
It details the crudity of operation compared to genuine CCs. It shows how they have used another name, and changed it to disassociate from previous revelations of the haoxer's deception. It shows all manner of inconsistencies in their claims, and in shows that just happen to be making them quite a bit of money.
It is not at all impossible to make crop circles crudely in wheat. The link you gave is to their own site, which is obviously going to present it all marvellously. There is no close detail as in CC sites of genuine interest. The manifestation of tracks etc the manner of the stalks bending and many other aspects just don't add up.
You have not responded to the one peer-reviewed report I sent in response to your request. Is it thus 1-0 in favor of the genuine CCs in that regard?