Creation Answer Book

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
#5. The Jedi Enslave Slaves So the Sith Won't Make Us All Slaves

It seems that your vanity trumps Dasa's vanity.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I guess your being a Romanian is irrelevant to your ignorant bull crap too,
since I know practically nothing about Romania. But I do know a lot about
the Holy Bible and Christianity. Are all those Christians, you claim to be in
Romania, ignorant and full of bull crap too?

By the way, DID anything good ever come out of Bethlehem?

And what is the moral of that question?

Originally posted by finnegan
By the way, DID anything good ever come out of Bethlehem?

And what is the moral of that question?

Why ask me? Don't you know the moral of your own question?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Why ask me? Don't you know the moral of your own question?

😴

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well no the universe is not proof of a creator, but even if it were, it doesn't prove (and check back to
what I actually said) YOUR god exists.

At most the universe would be evidence that A creator exists, nothing about it says that it has to be
YOUR god.

...and nothing about it says it wasn't MY God.

So if the universe is good enough evidence that a creator exist, why would this not be God but something else? Surely a creator that creates a never ending universe should be God. Now the argument goes that if God exists, evolution and everything supporting it is false. Which is the truth that I believe. Pure logic.

Originally posted by Dasa
RJHinds

Christian creationism is a fantasy -- and you bring ridicule and criticism from all quarters if you present it so enthusiastically.

The Bible was fabricated by animal killers and politicians and poets.........and who were womanisers and intoxicators (unqualified)

Its not eternal either.

This blind faith in....... clearly false doctrine is disturbing.

HA HA who are you to speak about fabrication. For all I know you are the master of fabricating stuff, heck you just did it two days ago. YOU LIAR!
Why is there no other person like you in this forum, hell why does it look like you're the only person in the world believing the crap you are talking? You have fabricated your own little religion and you have been caught out to be false - you are very disturbing.

Originally posted by Nicksten
...and nothing about it says it wasn't MY God.

So if the universe is good enough evidence that a creator exist, why would this not be God but something else? Surely a creator that creates a never ending universe should be God. Now the argument goes that if God exists, evolution and everything supporting it is false. Which is the truth that I believe. Pure logic.

The universe is at most evidence of a creator. Not of any specific creator. It could be your god just as much as the Hindu gods, the Muslim god, the Yin and Yang of Chinese philosophy, any of the other creation myths that have been dreamed up over the ages or any of the countless creation stories that have not even been thought of.

Why do you think your god is more likely than the infinite number of other possible creators?

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Nicksten
...and nothing about it says it wasn't MY God.

So if the universe is good enough evidence that a creator exist, why would this not be God but something else? Surely a creator that creates a never ending universe should be God. Now the argument goes that if God exists, evolution and everything supporting it is false. Which is the truth that I believe. Pure logic.

You imply the existence of only one god concept.

I said that even assuming that the universe was created by intelligence, how can you know if
the intelligence was singular or plural, god or gods?
How can you know if it was Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, or some deist god that
created the universe but either doesn't interact with it or does but hasn't ever come here?

Even IF (and it's a really big IF that I am not going to concede) the universe was created by
intelligence you have absolutely no reason to suppose it wasn't one of the other thousands of
god concepts man has created or one that we have never even thought of.

Even if the universe is evidence for the existence of a creator or creators that doesn't mean it's
evidence for YOUR particular version of god, or even evidence that it was a god at all.

It is for example not completely off the cards based on current physics that future particle
accelerators could create new universes. Would that make us gods?

It's also (and even more so) possible that we will in the future create virtual reality computer
simulations of worlds and universes that could themselves have simulate life forms form inside them
and that it's also possible that we ourselves are in such a simulation. In which case the creators of this
universe would be that universes equivalent of compute geeks. Are they gods?

So even before I point out that you have no proof for and plenty of evidence against this being a
never ending universe, and that their is no reason to suppose that if it were created it would have to
be created by god. That the universe may not actually have a beginning or need a creator even if it did,
and that even if there is a god this does nothing to disprove evolution.

So you believe falsehoods, and don't even know what logic is.

Originally posted by Nicksten
...and nothing about it says it wasn't MY God.

So if the universe is good enough evidence that a creator exist, why would this not be God but something else? Surely a creator that creates a never ending universe should be God. Now the argument goes that if God exists, evolution and everything supporting it is false. Which is the truth that I believe. Pure logic.

Your argument basically is:
1) If something created the universe then I'm going to call it God
2) In the Bible they have an omnipotent being and they call it God
3) They're both called God, they must be the same thing right ?

Are you sure you don't see a problem with this from a logical point of view ?

Originally posted by googlefudge
You imply the existence of only one god concept.

I said that even assuming that the universe was created by intelligence, how can you know if
the intelligence was singular or plural, god or gods?
How can you know if it was Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Jupiter, Vishnu, or some deist god that
created the universe but either doesn't interact with it o to disprove evolution.

So you believe falsehoods, and don't even know what logic is.

In that virtual reality world, you can pre-program everyone in that world to be gnostic atheists.

Ironically, this will be a world that HAS actually been created and all the gnostic atheists are wrong. 🙂

EDIT: I was originally was just going to leave the above post with just "atheists", but in this scenario agnostic atheists still wouldn't be wrong, as they will still be leaving a little room for the possibility of a creator. Although due to the lack of evidence, they will still be heavily biased towards no creator.

Originally posted by lausey
In that virtual reality world, you can pre-program everyone in that world to be gnostic atheists.

Ironically, this will be a world that HAS actually been created and all the gnostic atheists are wrong. 🙂

EDIT: I was originally was just going to leave the above post with just "atheists", but in this scenario agnostic atheists still wouldn't be wrong, a ...[text shortened]... . Although due to the lack of evidence, they will still be heavily biased towards no creator.

That depends one what kind of simulation it is.

I wasn't thinking of a simulation where you write a computer program for each person
(which is the way the matrix is supposed to run, everyone and everything that isn't a
human jacked in is it's own separate computer program) but a simulation of the laws
of physics for that universe down to the level of individual particles in which life forms
could form and evolve as an emergent phenomena within the simulation with no direction
from the programmers.

In that case you couldn't directly program the minds of any beings that formed in the simulation
(or at least not in the way you are implying).
In fact if the simulated universe was large enough you would probably have trouble finding all
the life forms that evolved in it. let alone mess with them.

Originally posted by googlefudge
That depends one what kind of simulation it is.

I wasn't thinking of a simulation where you write a computer program for each person
(which is the way the matrix is supposed to run, everyone and everything that isn't a
human jacked in is it's own separate computer program) but a simulation of the laws
of physics for that universe down to the lev ...[text shortened]... ably have trouble finding all
the life forms that evolved in it. let alone mess with them.

Yes, that is pretty much how I thought you thought of it, but was just having a little digression as a kind of "twilight zone" moment. 🙂

I guess in your scenario in the simplest form, it is like the "Game of Life". Applying simple rules with unpredictable results, and appearing to have a "life" of its own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life

Originally posted by googlefudge
That depends one what kind of simulation it is.

I wasn't thinking of a simulation where you write a computer program for each person
(which is the way the matrix is supposed to run, everyone and everything that isn't a
human jacked in is it's own separate computer program) but a simulation of the laws
of physics for that universe down to the lev ...[text shortened]... ably have trouble finding all
the life forms that evolved in it. let alone mess with them.

There is a hypothesis that we are far more likely to actually be inside such a simulation than we are to 'really' exist in a 'real' universe.

--- Penguin.

Originally posted by Penguin
There is a hypothesis that we are far more likely to actually be inside such a simulation than we are to 'really' exist in a 'real' universe.

--- Penguin.

Indeed, I don't myself buy that idea (that us being in a simulation is more likely than not),
but I accept that it's possible.
And it's certainly more likely and better supported by evidence and reason than any god
hypothesis.

Originally posted by Penguin
There is a hypothesis that we are far more likely to actually be inside such a simulation than we are to 'really' exist in a 'real' universe.

--- Penguin.

I cannot see how it is far more likely. For starters, the burden of proof will lie in proving this over a real universe. It also introduces more complexity, and violates Occam's Razor (as far as I can see).

After all, whom ever created the simulation would also have had an origin (maybe that is also a simulation, ad infinitum).

If the hypothesis says it is more likely, I would be interested in learning more about it.