26 Oct 14
Originally posted by SuzianneWell, that would explain why your god has done nothing for the human race in the last 2000 years. In that 2000 years, god time has only had a dozen thoughts or so. You should like that, when it gets around to figuring out humans are screwing up the planet, we might have only 130 years or so to get ready for the big crash.
You assume many things, such as God's relationship to time stays constant. Such as, God has zero time. Such as, God is a slow god.
You're just mocking what I said. I said nothing like what you're saying here.
26 Oct 14
Originally posted by sonhouseMy God is different from that of Suzianne. My God thinks ahead and has plans for the future. My God said the following:
Well, that would explain why your god has done nothing for the human race in the last 2000 years. In that 2000 years, god time has only had a dozen thoughts or so. You should like that, when it gets around to figuring out humans are screwing up the planet, we might have only 130 years or so to get ready for the big crash.
"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
(John 14:1-3 NASB)
26 Oct 14
Originally posted by RJHindsNo. You are deluded. My God is not the god sonhouse describes, obviously. My God IS your God. You just seem to take solace in restricting Him to magic tricks. You believe in God, yes. But you don't believe that He's capable of anything beyond His simplistic description in Genesis. Thankfully, though, you do seem to believe in His Son and this excuses much.
My God is different from that of Suzianne. My God thinks ahead and has plans for the future. My God said the following:"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for ...[text shortened]... and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
(John 14:1-3 NASB)
Originally posted by RJHinds"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." -- 1 Corinthians 13:11, KJV
I believe you are the one speaking stupid things. God was not trying to deceive us, but telling us like it was. A day is not billions of years. That is stupid.
God was speaking through Moses the history of the Earth. He had to keep it simplistic and Man was "as a child" in those days. Today, Man has grown in knowledge and we keep those "childish things" from our past because they comfort us. But we now know better. If the Bible were written for today's Man, it would be far, far different, because He knows we now understand as men, not "as a child". God is not "trying to deceive us", that's ridiculous. We do a much better job of deceiving ourselves.
Fundamentalists, like you, keep insisting that we are still "as a child". Well, maybe some of us are. That's fine, just don't foist your 'lack of knowledge and understanding' onto the rest of us.
26 Oct 14
Originally posted by RJHindsSo now there are TWO gods?
My God is different from that of Suzianne. My God thinks ahead and has plans for the future. My God said the following:"Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. If I go and prepare a place for ...[text shortened]... and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
(John 14:1-3 NASB)
26 Oct 14
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe first law of God is that God created the universe and everything in it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_law_of_thermodynamicsThe first law of thermodynamics is a version of the law of conservation of energy, adapted for thermodynamic systems. The law of conservation of energy states that the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created o ...[text shortened]... yed.
The First Law of Thermodynamics quite clearly states that creation is impossible.
Tell me again how it is that thermodynamics can state something. Can it speak? Is it living? For some reason I just can't hear it's voice.
And who was it that received this law and then wrote it down? Did it come by way of evolution?
"..; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but cannot be created or destroyed."
Can't be created by who? Where did all this energy come from?
26 Oct 14
Originally posted by Suzianne"If the Bible were written for today's Man,.."
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things." -- 1 Corinthians 13:11, KJV
God was speaking through Moses the history of the Earth. He had to keep it simplistic and Man was "as a child" in those days. Today, Man has grown in knowledge and we keep those "child ...[text shortened]... . That's fine, just don't foist your 'lack of knowledge and understanding' onto the rest of us.
Not good Suzianne. This is a grave error. You better think about what you're saying here. You're making yourself out to have greater authority than the Word of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I wouldn't tamper with it if I were you.
27 Oct 14
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Originally posted by josephwDon't get me wrong. I don't expect a "new Bible" to come about. It's unnecessary. It's unnecessary because Man understands more now about the universe and our place in it. We can read scripture and see that it lives forever because it's clear that God expects Man, in his increasing understanding, to see through what is written to what it means.
[b]"If the Bible were written for today's Man,.."
Not good Suzianne. This is a grave error. You better think about what you're saying here. You're making yourself out to have greater authority than the Word of God.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I wouldn't tamper with it if I were you.[/b]
Taking the Word of God at its most literal and simplistic meaning is much worse than what you imagine me guilty of. It seeks to portray God as small and simplistic also. God is much bigger and capable of much more than the simplistic literalists believe. They minimalize God at every turn.
I'm not tampering with the Word of God... it's the literalists who never really understood it to begin with, and have imbued it with their own meaning, drawn from their minimal understanding.
27 Oct 14
Originally posted by SuzianneYou are not doing anything to support the purpose of this thread.
Don't get me wrong. I don't expect a "new Bible" to come about. It's unnecessary. It's unnecessary because Man understands more now about the universe and our place in it. We can read scripture and see that it lives forever because it's clear that God expects Man, in his increasing understanding, to see through what is written to what it means.
Takin ...[text shortened]... o begin with, and have imbued it with their own meaning, drawn from their minimal understanding.
27 Oct 14
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Originally posted by SuzianneGod performs miracles, not magic tricks. The difference between the miracles of God and magic tricks have already been discussed and you are still as ignorant on the subject as the atheists. I believe God provided us with the literal truth of creation. You apparently believe it is all figures of speech that mean whatever you want it to mean.
No. You are deluded. My God is not the god sonhouse describes, obviously. My God IS your God. You just seem to take solace in restricting Him to magic tricks. You believe in God, yes. But you don't believe that He's capable of anything beyond His simplistic description in Genesis. Thankfully, though, you do seem to believe in His Son and this excuses much.
27 Oct 14
Originally posted by RJHindsWell I for one am tired of waiting around for this judgement day. It's been two thousand years and counting and it would be nice if it happened sooner than later to avoid that much more real suffering going on in the world as we speak.
God performs miracles, not magic tricks. The difference between the miracles of God and magic tricks have already been discussed and you are still as ignorant on the subject as the atheists. I believe God provided us with the literal truth of creation. You apparently believe it is all figures of speech that mean whatever you want it to mean.
Of course I know that is just fantasy, no such deity is going to come down here for ANY reason. We make our own bed, we lie in it.