do muslims go to heaven???

Originally posted by zombies
Let me correct you slightly
1.The bible says, all judgement has been handed over to the Son, and what exactly happens to the devil in islam if there is such a thing.
Also explain to us, how exactly did "gabriel" approach muhammed, was it by force, or by respect??? And was it really Gabriel, or a spirit claiming to be "gabriel", and did it say I come ...[text shortened]... hrist, read the bible, and see for yourself, for Yahweh says "Taste and see that God is good"

Correct me? Please read my very first post here;
“I hope I don’t offend anyone, and if I do, please forgive me its not intentional. It’s a different point of view, different way of life. If we are disagreeing, then this is the nature of the debate” 13 Oct '05 23:06

And following from that, I understand it’s a sensitive topic, I apologised in advance if I offend anyone, it is a different point of view! I respected you, and you should act the same. Stating that Allah a demon, and that Muslims lie is offensive. There is no need for that if you wish for a mature discussion.

1, The Devil will taste Hell fire to Eternity when the Day of Judgement comes.
2, The Angel Gabriel came to Mohammed while he was in a cave. He appeared to him and commanded him to recite (96:1-19). This recitation became the Quran. From God (Allah). In these encounters with the angel Gabriel, sometimes he would see the angel, other times he would only hear him, and at others he only heard the sound of a bell through which the words of the angel came.
Muhammad could neither read nor write so he was instructed to memorize the words given to him by Gabriel. This complete recitation which Muhammad received over a 23 year period, ending in 632, the year of his death, is known as the Quran.

Last by not least, am not so sure what you mean by “Yahweh”.. God?

Originally posted by vistesd
Thanks for the response. A couple more questions--

(1) Is my understanding of the Hadith correct? That is, that no single Hadith can be assumed to be authentic since the selection criteria the inability to prove that a Hadith couldn’t be authentic? And that, therefore—although they may be consulted as a guide—one would have to be very car ...[text shortened]... n’t know enough—nor are my own views settled enough. If I can come up with something, I will.🙂

The Hadith (literal translation means sayings – of the Prophet) weighs a lot in Islam. God tells us to refer to the Quran, then to the Prophets then to those knowledgeable. The Hadith was collected carefully from many different sources that agreed they heard the Prophet said something, or done a thing in a particular manner.

Which ones are you referring to that seemed to conflict with Muhammad’s regard for women?

As for the second question, the beating up. The literal translation of the word “darab” means “beat up”. Now as I stated before, Classical Arabic is extremely hard to translate, and to be fair, I need to look this up for you before I can answer you honestly. I have read that verse many times, and inclined to be with Ahmed Ali’s translation.

I will come back to you soon as I find more about it, I promise.

You seem to be very knowledgeable, and I am more than happy no have a debate, and if I failed like above to answer a particular question, then I will research it and try to answer it or you.

Originally posted by Peachy
The Hadith (literal translation means sayings – of the Prophet) weighs a lot in Islam. God tells us to refer to the Quran, then to the Prophets then to those knowledgeable. The Hadith was collected carefully from many different sources that agreed they heard the Prophet said something, or done a thing in a particular manner.

Which ones are you referring t ...[text shortened]... like above to answer a particular question, then I will research it and try to answer it or you.

Now you're sending me to do more research! 🙂 Off to my bookshelf!

I think I would like to argue that Hadith have to be treated very provisionally. But, (a) I have to do some more research on that too (I do have some stuff on it, and maybe I can make an argument); and (b), I would be arguing as an "outsider," taking a position that appears to be a minority one within Islam itself, and that will be difficult.

Note to Hal: Okay, according to Peachy, your valuation of the Hadith is correct--just didn't want you to think I can't say "you're r... righ...." (well, you get it).😉

Originally posted by vistesd
Now you're sending me to do more research! 🙂 Off to my bookshelf!

I think I would like to argue that Hadith have to be treated very provisionally. But, (a) I have to do some more research on that too (I do have some stuff on it, and maybe I can make an argument); and (b), I would be arguing as an "outsider," taking a position that appears to be a ...[text shortened]... ct--just didn't want you to think I can't say "you're r... righ...." (well, you get it).😉

Note to Hal: Okay, according to Peachy, your valuation of the Hadith is correct--just didn't want you to think I can't say "you're r... righ...." (well, you get it).😉

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