08 Jan 12
Originally posted by SuzianneYou raise another interesting point. Josephw seemed confident that there was hatred from atheists towards the bible, but so far there doesn't appear to be much in the way of support for this.
No, you're right. I meant, "not suffering... yet."
No, I imagine there will be time between judgement and the casting out that will lead to much "wailing and gnashing of teeth". That seems like suffering to me. But one could also argue that the hate and disgust some atheists feel toward God now is a form of suffering.
I would suggest that there is probably very little in the way of hatred or disgust felt by atheists towards god himself, either. I'm sure you'll find some who will voice a hatred of a particular religion (or just religion itself), and even some who may feel hatred towards some individual proponents of a religion, but I doubt you'll encounter many who honestly feel so strongly negative towards a god in whose existence they don't believe. In fact, the most strident expressions of negativity in this forum appear to be those expressed by supporters of one religion towards followers of another.
08 Jan 12
Originally posted by avalanchethecatHe is probably referring to the hatred of what is written in the Holy Bible.
You raise another interesting point. Josephw seemed confident that there was hatred from atheists towards the bible, but so far there doesn't appear to be much in the way of support for this.
I would suggest that there is probably very little in the way of hatred or disgust felt by atheists towards god himself, either. I'm sure you'll find some w ...[text shortened]... um appear to be those expressed by supporters of one religion towards followers of another.
They love sin and hate righteousness.
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09 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsSin is that which displeases god.
He is probably referring to the hatred of what is written in the Holy Bible.
They love sin and hate righteousness.
If you don't believe in god then sin as a concept has no meaning.
This is not to be confused with morals which are a different concept.
Some things that are considered morals are alleged to be things that displease god,
but not all things that displease god (or even most) appear to be immoral, and not all
things that are immoral displease god (at least according to the bible, and what else
do we have to go on) so while there is overlap, they are not equivalent concepts.
So Atheists don't 'love sin'.
Sin isn't a concept that we recognize.
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09 Jan 12
Originally posted by avalanchethecatHating the Bible is as foolish as hating a firearm. It's not the Bible, it's some of the idiots that use it to terrorize others.
I'd be interested to hear if you do - especially if you could also be so kind as to detail your reasoning.
09 Jan 12
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI don't hate the bible, as I don't hate Mein Kampff. It's just books, no more, written by men, and opinions by men.
I'd be interested to hear if you do - especially if you could also be so kind as to detail your reasoning.
But I wouldn't recommend them to children either. There are a lot of cruelties in both of them. And when people use them, and belive in them literary, I get scared.
Many high militaries has held the book in one hand and a weapon in the other,saying "I am better than you, because of this book!"
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09 Jan 12
Originally posted by avalanchethecatIt's the passive-aggressive method of Christian prostelytizing.
Who is this 'they' that hates righteousness? Can you find one person who is not demonstrably insane who will admit to hating righteousness?
"You won't convert to our religion. Why do you hate God and the Bible so much?!?! Waaaaaahhhhh!!"
I suppose its better than being threatened with eternal suffering or being burned as a witch.
