26 Jan 12
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoFreedom of speech can only exist if people have the freedom to exercise self-restraint as they see fit. You seem to believe that there is a freedom not to have your feelings hurt. Such a potentially authoritarian concept can have no place in a society that is based on freedom of speech.
Freedom of Speech can exist only in a societal and civilised framework which respects feelings of others whom the free speech may hurt.
26 Jan 12
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Originally posted by FMFThe key words are "as they see fit ". What does it mean ? These words need not qualify the " Freedom of Speech " if you consider that freedom of speech as absolute. Self censorship is censorship.
Freedom of speech can only exist if people have the freedom to exercise self-restraint as they see fit. You seem to believe that there is a freedom not to have your feelings hurt. Such a potentially authoritarian concept can have no place in a society that is based on freedom of speech.
26 Jan 12
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Originally posted by rvsakhadeoDo you think the lawsuit is appropriate?
The key words are "as they see fit ". What does it mean ? These words need not qualify the " Freedom of Speech " if you consider that freedom of speech as absolute. Self censorship is censorship.
A concise yes or no will suffice?
26 Jan 12
"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.
You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free"."
(I watch a lot of trash films 🙁)
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoIt means the element of "freedom" in the concept of "freedom of speech".
The key words are "as they see fit ". What does it mean ?
These words need not qualify the " Freedom of Speech " if you consider that freedom of speech as absolute. Self censorship is censorship.
"Self-censorship" is when people see fit - i.e. have the freedom - to decide what they say and what they don't say. The "censorship" you endorse is basically the diametric opposite of "freedom of speech".
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26 Jan 12
Originally posted by Rank outsiderHey, that's a great film!
"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.
...[text shortened]... tand up and sing about the "land of the free"."
(I watch a lot of trash films 🙁)
Also great quote, very relevant.
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobI asked him if the law suit was appropriate. And he suggested that "something has to be done to make a point" that Leno's freedom of speech ought to be restricted.
Do you think the lawsuit is appropriate?
A concise yes or no will suffice?
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoWhat's wrong with a press release or a letter to various newspapers stating that they didn't like Jay Leno's joke? Wouldn't that be a "remedy" too. And if so, why do you claim that a lawsuit "is the one remedy available"?
yes, it is the one remedy available to the party which has been hurt.
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by FMFIs Jay Leno above the law of the U.S. that special consideration should be given him ?
What's wrong with a press release or a letter to various newspapers stating that they didn't like Jay Leno's joke? Wouldn't that be a "remedy" too. And if so, why do you claim that a lawsuit "is the one remedy available"?
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoWhat law has he broken? You yourself conceded that Leno's gag about Romney and the Golden Temple does not expose the Sikhs and their religion to "hatred".
Is Jay Leno above the law of the U.S. that special consideration should be given him ?
26 Jan 12
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoYou dodged my question. Why do you claim that a lawsuit "is the one remedy available" when there are clearly several courses of action he could take?
Is Jay Leno above the law of the U.S. that special consideration should be given him ?