11 Jun 05
Originally posted by dale21Well, if you are referring to human religions, not what religion he would belong to himself, it obviously depends on what kind of god he is (assuming there is a god). The god of people like blindfaith or dj2 clearly has a preference for a small group of Christians. But I would rather assume that a god who creates beings with a mind would like them to use their minds, and xe would enjoy all the different ideas they come up with. I'd guess xe might not be very happy with people who choose not to use their minds (thus kind of rejecting xyr gift) and rather choose blind faith, although xe might find that interesting, too.
thanx for your intellectual comments 😛
can he like them all equally?
11 Jun 05
Originally posted by kirksey957Moses and the Shepherd
I was having a moment of Zen. It is best left unexplained.
Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying,
"God, Where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
to kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat. God, my sheep and goats
are yours. All I can say, remembering you,
is ayyyy and ahhhhhhhh."
Moses could stand it no longer.
"Who are you talking to?"
"The one who made us,
and made the earth and the sky."
"Don't talk about shoes
and socks with God! And what's this with your little hands
and feet? Such blasphemous familiarity sounds like
you're chatting with your uncles.
Only something that grows needs milk.
Only someone with feet needs shoes. Not God!
Even if you meant God's human representatives,
as when God said, 'I was sick and you did not visit me,'
even then this tone would be foolish and irreverent."
The shepherd repented and tore his clothes and sighed
and wandered into the desert.
A sudden revelation
came then to Moses.
God's voice:
You have separated me from one of my own.
Did you come as a Prophet to unite, or to sever?
I have given each being a separate and unique way
of seeing and knowing and saying that knowledge.
What seems wrong for you is right for him.
What is poisonous to one is honey to someone else.
Purity and impurity, sloth and diligence in worship,
these mean nothing to me.
I am apart from all that.
Ways of worshipping are not to be ranked as better
or worse than one another.
Hindus do Hindu things.
the Dravidian Muslims in India do what they do.
It's all praise, and it's all right.
It's not me that's glorified in acts of worship.
It's the worshipers! I don't hear the words
they say. I look inside at the humility.
That broken-open lowliness is the reality,
not the language! Forget phraseology.
I want burning, burning.
Be friends with your burning.
Burn up your thinking
and your forms of expression!
Moses,
those who pay attention to ways of behaving
and speaking are one sort.
Lovers who burn are another.
Don't impose a property tax
on a burned-out village. Don't scold the Lover.
The "wrong" way his talks is better than a hundred
"right" ways of others.
Inside the Kaaba
it doesn't matter which direction you point
your prayer rug!
The ocean diver doesn't need snowshoes!
The love-religion has not code or doctrine.
Only God.
So the ruby has nothing engraved on it!
It doesn't need markings."
God began speaking deeper mysteries to Moses.
Vision and words, which cannot be recorded here,
poured into and through him.
He left himself and came back.
He went to eternity and came back here.
Many times this happened.
It's foolish of me
to try and say this. If I did say it,
it would uproot human intelligences.
It would shatter all writing pens.
Moses ran after the shepherd.
He followed the bewildered footprints,
in one place moving straight like a castle
across a chessboard. In another, sideways,
like a bishop.
Now surging like a wave cresting,
now sliding down like a fish,
with always his feet
making geomancy symbols in the sand,
recording his wandering state.
Moses finally caught up with him.
"I was wrong. God has revealed to me
that there are no rules for worship.
Say whatever and however your loving tells you to.
Your sweet blasphemy is the truest devotion.
Through you a whole world is freed.
Loosen your tongue and don't worry what comes out,
It's all the light of the spirit."
The shepherd replied,
"Moses, Moses, I've gone beyond even that.
You applied the whip and my horse shied and jumped on itself.
The divine nature of my human nature came together.
Bless your scolding hand and your arm.
I can't say what has happened.
What I'm saying now is not my real condition.
It can't be said."
The shepherd grew quiet.
When you look in a mirror,
you see yourself, not the state of the mirror.
The flute player puts breath into the flute,
and who makes the music? Not the flute,
The flute player!
Whenever you speak praise
or thanksgiving to God, it's always like
this dear shepherd's simplicity.
When you eventually see
through the veils to how things really are,
you will keep saying again
and again,
"This is certanly not like
we thought it was!"
Rumi
11 Jun 05
Originally posted by bbarrIn response to that I can only say "thank you".
[b]Moses and the Shepherd
Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying,
"God, Where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
to kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat ...[text shortened]... eep saying again
and again,
"This is certanly not like
we thought it was!"
Rumi
[/b]
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by bbarrExcellent!
[b]Moses and the Shepherd
Moses heard a shepherd on the road praying,
"God, Where are you? I want to help you, to fix your shoes
and comb your hair. I want to wash your clothes
and pick the lice off. I want to bring you milk
to kiss your little hands and feet when it's time
for you to go to bed. I want to sweep your room
and keep it neat ...[text shortened]... eep saying again
and again,
"This is certanly not like
we thought it was!"
Rumi
[/b]
12 Jun 05
You cannot answer that question objectively. The more objective religions (Budhism, Spiritualists, some Hindi) will say that yes, he loves them all equally.
The more stilted religions (Islam, Christianity) would say that there is only 1 God and is of their nation i.e. "The God of Abrahjam"
So it depends where you stand. Some would disbelieve god as a whole e.g. your first answer.
12 Jun 05
Originally posted by kaijinClassical Buddhism does not posit an answer to whether God exists in the first place. However, I would be extremely curious to know if the God in the "objective religions" finds the Aztec religion and certain Kali sects in India (both of which practise/used to practice human sacrifice) "equally" pleasing.
You cannot answer that question objectively. The more objective religions (Budhism, Spiritualists, some Hindi) will say that yes, he loves them all equally.