12 Feb 08
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Originally posted by eatmybishopWould you an angel to grab your spoon or fork in you hand to stop
then its not possible for me to sin, he already knows, really he should stop me doing it
you from over eating if you were about to do that? Would you want
to go blind for a second or two if someone who looks alluring to you
sexually shows up so you don't see them and you lust after them?
What is it you want God to do to you?
By the way God is stopping sin, it is just a process of showing sin for
what it is first so everyone knows it should be stopped. At least that
is why I think we are going through this mess.
Kelly
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by KellyJayMust of typed this when I first woke up, here is what it should have
Would you an angel to grab your spoon or fork in you hand to stop
you from over eating if you were about to do that? Would you want
to go blind for a second or two if someone who looks alluring to you
sexually shows up so you don't see them and you lust after them?
What is it you want God to do to you?
By the way God is stopping sin, it is just a pro ...[text shortened]... nows it should be stopped. At least that
is why I think we are going through this mess.
Kelly
said. Sorry!
Would you want an angel to grab your spoon or fork in your hand to
stop you from over eating if you were about to do that? Would you
want to go blind for a second or two if someone who looks alluring to
you sexually shows up so you don't see them and you lust after
them?
What is it you want God to do to you?
By the way God is stopping sin, it is just a process of showing sin for
what it is first so everyone knows it should be stopped. At least that
is why I think we are going through this mess.
Kelly
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by knightmeisterNow that is a strawman too. There is no such thing as 'the God of Christianity' especially when talking about specific details.
Now I don't know what strawman of a god you have in your head but he's certainly doesn't sound like the God of Christianity if he's not eternal.
I can guarantee that the vast majority of Christians past and present have not really considered the concept of eternity that you talk about, and the concept of time being a part of the universe and thus created by God is certainly not a fundamental part of Christianity.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadGod being the Alpha and the Omega seems to cover it.
Now that is a strawman too. There is no such thing as 'the God of Christianity' especially when talking about specific details.
I can guarantee that the vast majority of Christians past and present have not really considered the concept of eternity that you talk about, and the concept of time being a part of the universe and thus created by God is certainly not a fundamental part of Christianity.
Kelly
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopLife is full of paradoxical dilemmas. For God to be God He must be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. Otherwise He isn't God.
how powerful is god, does he know everything about everything.... if so, he knows the future, he knows the outcome, he knows i will sin tomorrow...
if we have free will is it possible god has already worked out every possibility
We are not as God. We don't know everything. But be sure of this one thing. We are free moral agents. We are not automatons.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by josephwYou mean he isn't the god you want him to be.
Life is full of paradoxical dilemmas. For God to be God He must be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. Otherwise He isn't God.
We are not as God. We don't know everything. But be sure of this one thing. We are free moral agents. We are not automatons.
Why should we be sure of that, and do either of us know what that really means anyway?
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadYou raise a profound point here. It is thought by many that we can't know anything for sure. If that is true then it is futile to even discuss anything at all.
You mean he isn't the god you want him to be.
[b]We are not as God. We don't know everything. But be sure of this one thing. We are free moral agents. We are not automatons.
Why should we be sure of that, and do either of us know what that really means anyway?[/b]
But as soon as someone says they know the truth someone comes along and says we can't know the truth. That's true for one who doesn't know the truth and for the one that thinks he knows the truth but really doesn't.
But what if someone, such as myself, does in fact know the truth? How can you know for sure that I know the truth? You can't, until you know the truth yourself.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by josephwSo why tell us "to be sure" when you know that such a statement has no real value? It sounded to me like you were urging us to simply believe you without justification or reasoning.
You raise a profound point here. It is thought by many that we can't know anything for sure. If that is true then it is futile to even discuss anything at all.
But as soon as someone says they know the truth someone comes along and says we can't know the truth. That's true for one who doesn't know the truth and for the one that thinks he knows the truth but ...[text shortened]... can you know for sure that I know the truth? You can't, until you know the truth yourself.
You also forgot to mention that even though you may know the truth, you can never know for sure that what you think is the truth is actually the truth.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf I say I'm not sure I know the truth then I fall into the same arena of doubt as others. There would be no point.
So why tell us "to be sure" when you know that such a statement has no real value? It sounded to me like you were urging us to simply believe you without justification or reasoning.
You also forgot to mention that even though you may know the truth, you can never know for sure that what you think is the truth is actually the truth.
They killed Jesus because he had made himself equal with God. Jesus knew who he was and did not compromise. What would be the point?
I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I'm asking you to believe God.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by josephwI don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that you cannot admit your doubt? That you do not doubt because there would be no point in it? That you are ashamed to be associated with others? Please clarify.
If I say I'm not sure I know the truth then I fall into the same arena of doubt as others. There would be no point.
They killed Jesus because he had made himself equal with God. Jesus knew who he was and did not compromise. What would be the point?
They killed Jesus because it was politically expedient to do so.
I don't know what you mean about Jesus not compromising. Apparently he wanted to be killed.
I'm not asking anyone to believe me. I'm asking you to believe God.
But first we must believe you as the message from God is coming via you. In fact we must first believe (via you) that God exists, and only then can we believe your claim that God says we have free will.
Of course all that is a total waste of time, because we do not yet know what you mean by free will.
13 Feb 08
Originally posted by twhiteheadI can guarantee that the vast majority of Christians past and present have not really considered the concept of eternity that you talk about,------whitey--------
Now that is a strawman too. There is no such thing as 'the God of Christianity' especially when talking about specific details.
I can guarantee that the vast majority of Christians past and present have not really considered the concept of eternity that you talk about, and the concept of time being a part of the universe and thus created by God is certainly not a fundamental part of Christianity.
whoah! Are you omniscient?
I don't really know how to respond to this. It's so obvious that Chrsitianity proposes an eternal God. You'll be saying next that Christians don't believe Jesus existed!!!