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I am almost finished.
Reason # 9 of 11. (see I change. I write eleven sometimes and 11 at other times).
As Christians our salvation is assured and secured because of the Redemption of Christ.
It is this One Christ, eternally faithful, who died for us.
"Who is he who condemns? It is Christ Jesus who died and, rather, who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us." (Rom. 8:34)
Paul points out the unique One who had died for us and been raised - Christ. He is like no other. And His redemption is "an ETERNAL redemption".
"And not through the blood of goats and calves
but through His own blood, entered once for all into the Holies of Holies, obtaining an eternal redemption." (Heb. 9:12)
What kind of redemption to Christ obtain?
Answer: He obtained "an eternal redemption".
By the offering of Himself He perfected forever those who are in the process of sanctification.
"For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Heb. 10:14)
His eternal redemption then issues in "eternal salvation" .
Hebrews 5:9 - "And having been perfected, He became to all those who obey Him the source of ETERNAL SALVATION."
What kind of salvation did Jesus become the source of to those who obey Him?
Answer: He became the source of "eternal salvation" to them.
Since He lives forever to petition the Father and intercede for the saved He is able to save them to the UTTERMOST - thoroughly, completely, eternally, all the way into becoming the New Jerusalem.
"Hence also He is able to save to the uttermost those who come forward to God through Him, since He lives always to intercede for them." (Heb. 6:25)
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03 Aug 19
Reason #10 of 11
The Christian's salvation is secure and assured by the Promise of Christ.
His promise is that He would lose NONE and NOTHING of those whom were given to Him by the Father.
"All that the Father has given Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I shall by no means cast out." (John 6:37)
Discipline God will,
Perfect God will.
Out of His love God will do all to perfect into holiness those who inherit His life as sons.
But Christ will by no means cast any one of them out. That is "by no means".
The Lord Jesus will never reject or forsake anyone who has come to Him. The promise is unambiguous and a divine guarantee. Our assurance as saved ones is also because of His promise. Nothing can annul this promise.
Once regenerated and forgiven in Jesus Christ our eternal salvation will never be revoked.
04 Aug 19
@fmf saidI suppose that has instalment #11 hasn’t yet been copy/pasted into existence we should be waiting patiently for sonship’s replies to our earlier comments.
Do you Christians need to know all eleven in order to have "assurance of salvation"?
04 Aug 19
@divegeester saidThe Word "torture" occurs nowhere in the Bible. The Word used in scripture is κόλασις kólasis, kol'-as-is; penal infliction:—punishment, torment.
I am a firm believer in eternal security, that salvation itself is a matter of one time spiritual regeneration and that our hope is dependent on Christ and him alone.
However, although salvation is free, discipleship will cost a person everything. We are instructed to follow Christ’s commands and there are consequences for no doing so ~ but NOT loss of salvation, not ...[text shortened]... ation means eternal torture. It is a juxtaposition without coherence or moral fibre. It is nonsense.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say God "tortures" anyone. Your insistence on using that term, and inferring that those who believe the Bible teaches that the lost are consigned to outer darkness with everlasting punishment think and teach that that means "torture", underscores the intellectual bias you employ when discussing this topic.
Light and darkness, good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral, life and death, and heaven and hell are all major themes throughout scripture, and it cannot be denied that God's Word clearly makes those distinctions and contrasts.
Those things are real and literal whether or not they are stated by the use of metaphors, allegories, symbolism or in parables.
If hell didn't exist, then what would be the point in resurrecting the dead to be judged? Do you think God simply had John write about the "great white throne" judgement and the subsequent casting of the lost into hell just to scare people into believing?
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidDo you accept that many of the Christians who have posted here over the years - including several that post now - believe that those who face "damnation" face being tormented in burning flames for eternity?
Nowhere in the Bible does it say God "tortures" anyone. Your insistence on using that term, and inferring that those who believe the Bible teaches that the lost are consigned to outer darkness with everlasting punishment think and teach that that means "torture", underscores the intellectual bias you employ when discussing this topic.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidNor does the word “trinity” let alone “holy trinity”.
The Word "torture" occurs nowhere in the Bible.
Want to carry on?
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04 Aug 19
@SecondSon
'In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.'
Matthew 18:34
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidHebrews 11:35
@SecondSon
'In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.'
Matthew 18:34
[35]Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
04 Aug 19
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@Ghost of a Duke
I said the word "torture" not "tortured". In either case both of your references are in the context of man torturing man, which is commonly acknowledged, but nowhere is the term "torture" used in the context of God specifically with regards to the existence of hell.
You guys can read, but you don't comprehend.
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@divegeester saidSure, let's carry on. God never tortures anyone.
Nor does the word “trinity” let alone “holy trinity”.
Want to carry on?
Do you have a problem with that?
And by all means ignor the rest of my points.
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@secondson saidPlease explain the non-pedantic difference between "torture" and "tortured."
@Rajk999
@Ghost of a Duke
I said the word "torture" not "tortured". In either case both of your references are in the context of man torturing man, which is commonly acknowledged, but nowhere is the term "torture" used in the context of God specifically with regards to the existence of hell.
You guys can read, but you don't comprehend.
Thanks
(And Matthew 18:34 at least has the cessation to the torture once the debt is repaid. God's torture/torment is eternal and incomprehensibly disproportionate).