04 Aug 19
@secondson saidWho casts people into hell? Apparently it is not God according to you.
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I said the word "torture" not "tortured". In either case both of your references are in the context of man torturing man, which is commonly acknowledged, but nowhere is the term "torture" used in the context of God specifically with regards to the existence of hell.
You guys can read, but you don't comprehend.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: (Matthew 25:41 KJV)
God through Christ casts evil people into hell.
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThere is no difference except tortured is past tense of torture.
Please explain the non-pedantic difference between "torture" and "tortured."
Thanks
(And Matthew 18:34 at least has the cessation to the torture once the debt is repaid. God's torture/torment is eternal and incomprehensibly disproportionate).
The term used relative to being condemned to hell is "torment", not "torture", which is the difference.
Incomprehensibly disproportionate? Not compared to the price paid it isn't, and especially considering who the one is that paid the price.
The price for what? Your salvation. Mores the pity if you think you are sinless.
I know you're well versed in biblical knowledge, but I'll say it again. God has, by Himself, provided a way for you and me to live forever. By rejecting Christ, God's salvation, one is left with only one other alternative.
It's simple and in black and white. Pure logic and reason.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidIt is no wonder people laugh at the 'pure logic and reason' of church people.
There is no difference except tortured is past tense of torture.
The term used relative to being condemned to hell is "torment", not "torture", which is the difference.
Incomprehensibly disproportionate? Not compared to the price paid it isn't, and especially considering who the one is that paid the price.
The price for what? Your salvation. Mores the pity if you t ...[text shortened]... left with only one other alternative.
It's simple and in black and white. Pure logic and reason.
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04 Aug 19
@secondson saidPlease, concisely, explain the difference between torture and eternal torment in the fires of hell?
There is no difference except tortured is past tense of torture.
The term used relative to being condemned to hell is "torment", not "torture", which is the difference.
Incomprehensibly disproportionate? Not compared to the price paid it isn't, and especially considering who the one is that paid the price.
The price for what? Your salvation. Mores the pity if you t ...[text shortened]... left with only one other alternative.
It's simple and in black and white. Pure logic and reason.
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidI think its a distinction without a difference.
Please, concisely, explain the difference between torture and eternal torment in the fires of hell?
That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, it just means that the fate of those whose lives are in the end evil and wicked will be cast into a place created for demons to spend eternity in. They will not so much as touch or breath within the eternal Kingdom that God is creating while this universe is burned up to be replaced with something new.
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04 Aug 19
@kellyjay saidWhy the divine cruelty?
I think its a distinction without a difference.
That doesn't mean it isn't going to happen, it just means that the fate of those whose lives are in the end evil and wicked will be cast into a place created for demons to spend eternity in. They will not so much as touch or breath within the eternal Kingdom that God is creating while this universe is burned up to be replaced with something new.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidDivine justice, with His mercy no sinful or evil act we have done will be held against us it was all paid for by Jesus Christ so we face no condemnation, without Jesus Christ every sinful or evil act we have done will be paid for by divine justice without any mercy at all. There isn't a third option, Jesus' salvation is saving us from God's justice, holiness, righteousness these will be completely in harmony with God, or they are not. God will be in harmony there isn't anything less that can happen.
Why the divine cruelty?
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDoesn't make sense.
Why the divine cruelty?
For God to create a human to suffer for eternity is laughable, and a joke.
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidStop thinking that way. There's no such thing as "Devine cruelty".
Why the divine cruelty?
You're looking for 'reasons' for something that is not part of the equation. Fix this in your mind - God is not cruel. The idea that God is cruel defies reason.
You are assigning a characteristic to the God you don't know.
04 Aug 19
@chaney3 saidYou're exactly right chaney.
Doesn't make sense.
For God to create a human to suffer for eternity is laughable, and a joke.
When God created everything He declared it "very good".
That's when it all fell apart, and it wasn't God's fault.
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04 Aug 19
@secondson saidThe idea that an omnibenevolent deity would have creatures he created suffer for all eternity defies reason.
Stop thinking that way. There's no such thing as "Devine cruelty".
You're looking for 'reasons' for something that is not part of the equation. Fix this in your mind - God is not cruel. The idea that God is cruel defies reason.
You are assigning a characteristic to the God you don't know.
Nothing you have offered has stopped me from thinking that way.
04 Aug 19
@secondson said"Fell apart"?
You're exactly right chaney.
When God created everything He declared it "very good".
That's when it all fell apart, and it wasn't God's fault.
God created us, if we are flawed, God is to blame.
If a human goes to hell, God should be there as well.