04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidGladly.
Please, concisely, explain the difference between torture and eternal torment in the fires of hell?
Torture implies physical pain. Torment is worse.
In my opinion, I think physical pain would be a relief from existing forever in outer darkness, without physical sensation, with only memories.
Having said that, I think it goes even deeper. Remember what Jesus said? "Where their worm dieth not"? This is just my opinion, but I believe the damned are reduced to virtually nothing. Except for the memory.
Torment!
04 Aug 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe only thing that will stop you from "thinking that way" is when you finally realize you're lost.
The idea that an omnibenevolent deity would have creatures he created suffer for all eternity defies reason.
Nothing you have offered has stopped me from thinking that way.
Frankly, that's the only real difference between the "saved" and the "lost". The former has come to terms with the fact they need a saviour, while the later hasn't acknowledged that fact.
And it is a fact. ETERNAL LIFE. Do you want to die? Everyone is going to die. Physically. But those who have placed their trust in what Jesus did on the cross have the HOPE of eternal life. Resurrection. Certain hope.
Think in those terms and trust Jesus. It's the gospel truth.
04 Aug 19
@divegeester saidIs that why you're here, to generate revenue(points)?
Are we going to get part #11 split into two episodes to generate more revenue?
If you're having a problem with the course of this thread, then state your concerns directly.
Quit trying to be some kind of forum wit. Face reality. You're no better than the rest of us clods.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidI’m just posting as I see fit Josephw.
Is that why you're here, to generate revenue(points)?
If you're having a problem with the course of this thread, then state your concerns directly.
Quit trying to be some kind of forum wit. Face reality. You're no better than the rest of us clods.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidYou are belittling Christ. People who follow Christ's commandments are doing what Christ said to do. They are not trying to earn salvation. There is a rather stern warning from Christ about people who do what you are doing, and it says that people you should be tied to a millstone and thrown into the sea.
What is "no wonder" is that there are those like yourself that think they can earn salvation.
04 Aug 19
@divegeester saidI know, but so am I.
I’m just posting as I see fit Josephw.
And doing a better job of it I might add.
04 Aug 19
@rajk999 saidI'm belittling Christ?
You are belittling Christ. People who follow Christ's commandments are doing what Christ said to do. They are not trying to earn salvation. There is a rather stern warning from Christ about people who do what you are doing, and it says that people you should be tied to a millstone and thrown into the sea.
Only a liar would say that.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidYou are encouraging disobedience to the commandments of Christ, the same way Satan encouraged Eve to disobey God.
I'm belittling Christ?
Only a liar would say that.
04 Aug 19
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidGod cannot be tempted with evil and He does not tempt anyone with it. The holy, good, righteous, just nature of God remains at all times in everything He does, and stays a constant with God, He can be nothing else. Which is why the scripture says, He remains the same yesterday, today, and forever. The universe He created isn't a direct part of Him, it is distinct, unique from Him, but His desire is to fill it with Himself. When He created the universe with us in it, it was called very good by God.
The idea that an omnibenevolent deity would have creatures he created suffer for all eternity defies reason.
Nothing you have offered has stopped me from thinking that way.
Those that wanted to rebel against Him did so on their own. With the angelic host there was no redemption plan, with mankind there was. Even now it is God trying to save us to come to Him and enter into His Kingdom. Those that don't want to it is by their own choices and desires that are being granted to them, what else can be done? Would one benevolent force someone to act against their own will? If we are given real choice, does real choice mean only the properly desired choices can be made, or does real choice mean even those choices that are not desired can be made too?
You seem to suggest God created us to force some into evil, making it a creation without a choice, when in reality that is what we have. Only with choice does judgment have any justification, otherwise you may as well condemn a rock from falling to the earth because of gravity with no options available to the rock. We all have had choices before us, and all of us make them all the time, in all the things we do and say.
04 Aug 19
@secondson saidFalse teacher, have you ever in your life taught people the way Jesus Christ did? Here is an example of Jesus telling people how to get eternal life in the Kingdom of God :
Dunderhead.
What you said above isn't worth replying to except to say you're off topic.
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
(Matthew 5:2-9 KJV)
You have never promoted these teachings of Christ to others. Instead you are telling people not to good works and live righteously.
You are of the devil.
04 Aug 19
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@kellyjay saidAnd it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. (Genesis 22:1 KJV)
God cannot be tempted with evil and He does not tempt anyone with it.
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. (2 Samuel 24:1 KJV)