End–times, one-world religion?

Originally posted by whodey
I think that Christians actually believe that things will ultimately get better, even though they may get worse at first.

That's not true of many of the vocal Christians here on this forum who mostly seem to be doom and gloom defeatist Christians ~ indeed I can scarcely remember any of the doomsday contingent ever saying anything along the lines of "things will ultimately get better, even though they may get worse at first" ~ who here has ever said anything like that? In 'real life', very few of the Christians I know are like the ones here. I know only a couple who are obsessed with the 'end times' and Revelation's mumbo jumbo. The rest are for the most part not the ugly, bitter, self-sanctified internet Christians like many here are.

Originally posted by whodey
Why do people have such a high pessimism and misanthropy?

I think that Christians actually believe that things will ultimately get better, even though they may get worse at first.

My question to you is, based upon what we know of recorded human history, which is very dark indeed, why do you think things will not get worse? In fact, what makes you think ...[text shortened]... ess in countries around the globe, and you will find Islamic ones are at the bottom of the list.

it has gotten better. read some history books, go to a museum, watch a documentary.

id rather deal with isis than have a bunch of angry vikings dropping by for a bit of rape and pillaging. id rather deal with isis than have the roman army rocking on up with their futuristic, state of the art weapons and tactics. id rather deal with isis than have a mongol horde come stampeding through my village. id rather deal with isis than be infested with plague carrying rats and no medicine to cure it. id rather deal with isis than have german planes dropping bombs through my roof while im trying to read the paper. id rather deal with isis than have to gather enough berries to avoid starving to death, surviving on a day by day basis. id rather deal with isis than be an american indian watching my tribe get blasted into non existence by the cavalry.


we live in good times.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
it has gotten better. read some history books, go to a museum, watch a documentary.

id rather deal with isis than have a bunch of angry vikings dropping by for a bit of rape and pillaging. id rather deal with isis than have the roman army rocking on up with their futuristic, state of the art weapons and tactics. id rather deal with isis than have a m ...[text shortened]... ian watching my tribe get blasted into non existence by the cavalry.


we live in good times.

Did Hitler ever rape female children and take them as sex slaves and set people on fire in cages? I always thought that the gas chambers were more humane.

You would rather deal with ISIS, eh?

Have fun.

Originally posted by FMF
That's not true of many of the vocal Christians here on this forum who mostly seem to be doom and gloom defeatist Christians ~ indeed I can scarcely remember any of the doomsday contingent ever saying anything along the lines of "things will ultimately get better, even though they may get worse at first" ~ who here has ever said anything like that? In 'real life ...[text shortened]... for the most part not the ugly, bitter, self-sanctified internet Christians like many here are.

Defeatists?

As Christians were being thrown to the lions in the days of old, were they defeatists?

Christians simply recognize that this world is not there home and if they follow Jesus then they are subject to the same fates as Jesus and his disciples.

As Socrates once wrote, if there ever was a man born who was righteous and spoke the truth, society would have him killed.

Originally posted by whodey
Did Hitler ever rape female children and take them as sex slaves and set people on fire in cages? I always thought that the gas chambers were more humane.

You would rather deal with ISIS, eh?

Have fun.

i think anybody with a functioning brain would rather deal with isis than nazi germany.

Originally posted by whodey
Defeatists?

As Christians were being thrown to the lions in the days of old, were they defeatists?

What I said ~ and what you are purportedly responding to ~ is this: "That's not true of many of the vocal Christians here on this forum who mostly seem to be doom and gloom defeatist Christians".

Originally posted by whodey

Christians simply recognize that this world is not there home...

This will then perhaps be the reason why so many of the Christians on this forum seem so bitter, paranoid and impotent, and obsessed with the 'end times' and Revelation's portentous word salad, and are, as a result, seemingly so pessimistic and misanthropic.

...and if they follow Jesus then they are subject to the same fates as Jesus and his disciples.

I don't see any of the gnashing-teethed American Christians on this message board being "subject to the same fates as Jesus and his disciples".

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I see. So to clarify, you believe that in the very near future, in your lifetime, after a financial crash governments of the world will start to put electronic chipping devices into the populace?

Have you ever thought about writing a science fiction book?

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Listen, everything I just told you I believe, and true or not will not change
anything one way or the other for you or anyone else. It is a wait and see
and if you see it, you were forewarned.

Originally posted by KellyJay
An interesting thought or take on it, but I do believe one is coming and he
will be just like everyone thought Jesus should have been instead of who
He was. He will rule, take credit, win, and so on, and he will kill many.

Can I ask what makes you think this person is coming in your lifetime?

Originally posted by divegeester
Can I ask what makes you think this person is coming in your lifetime?

I think the odds of that are very small. All rational people in the other thread have acknowledged the world is billions of years old. The chances then of our personal existence (which is over in the blink of an eye in the great scheme of things) coinciding with the end of times, is not that great.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It is a wait and see and if you see it, you were forewarned.

Is a warning not believed really a warning? I certainly don't feel forewarned. Is it important to be forewarned even if the warning is, as you say, useless?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think the odds of that are very small. All rational people in the other thread have acknowledged the world is billions of years old. The chances then of our personal existence (which is over in the blink of an eye in the great scheme of things) coinciding with the end of times, is not that great.

All rational people don't believe in an 'end of times'. Or are you one of those theists that believes your particular beliefs are rational but other theists beliefs, that differ from yours, are not?

Originally posted by twhitehead
All rational people don't believe in an 'end of times'. Or are you one of those theists that believes your particular beliefs are rational but other theists beliefs, that differ from yours, are not?

I'm not a theist. I don't believe in 'an end of times'. I don't believe in God. (Though probably wish i did).

Would you like to know my shoe size?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I'm not a theist. I don't believe in 'an end of times'. I don't believe in God. (Though probably wish i did).

Would you like to know my shoe size?

Sorry, your previous post was not clear. You talked about the end times as if you thought it was real. Why do a probability calculation about something not real?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Sorry, your previous post was not clear. You talked about the end times as if you thought it was real. Why do a probability calculation about something not real?

Apologies for the sarcasm. (Size 8 in a shoe).

Only spoke of the 'end of times' as it is in the title of the thread and the probability calculation was given in response to the idea that we were now in the 'end of times.' (Which seems unlikely (belief aside) when you consider just how long the planet has been in existence.