Eternal suffering? Or eternal death?

Originally posted by KellyJay
When we are talking about the God of the Bible, the Biblical truths found in the Bible carry the only truth required. If we are talking about the God between people's ears than they are the sole source of truth.

Have you ever wondered why your god is so absent lately?

Originally posted by chaney3
Your statement could suggest that regarding the Bible: everyone is right, and everyone is also wrong.

Not sure why you think that it could suggest that.

The point is that those who do not recognize the fact that "the Bible is widely open to interpretation and contains inconsistencies, discrepancies and outright contradictions" delude themselves into believing that they understand "the word of God" when they actually only understand their own interpretation. Such people are dangerous.

Originally posted by apathist
Have I misjudged you? I don't think so.

What exactly are you asking about?

Originally posted by apathist
Have you ever wondered why your god is so absent lately?

He isn't absent, have you wondered why God seems so far from you? The God of the Bible promises many things, one is to never leave us or forsake us, and Jesus promised to send us the Holy Spirit who would teach us, guide us, and share with us about Christ. If you don't have the Spirit of God, then I suggest that you turn to God and not stop praying until there is nothing between you and God.

Originally posted by JS357
"Edit; my contention is that there are no "strong arguments" supporting the eternal torture of billions of people."

Let's start simpler and work up to it. Is there a strong argument supporting the temporally finite torture of one person? What is it?

Edit: assuming that the person's circumstances are representative of those of the billions mentioned in the initial query.

Torture is not a good thing.
Let's go up from there.

Originally posted by Tom Wolsey
It's not even worth pursuing. I now believe it was didymus spelled backward (sumydid) but it doesn't matter. I've used many names in the past, but only 1 here and that was likely it. It also makes no sense that I was a regular message board user (of this type) and after just a few years on facebook I've totally forgotten how to navigate. One advantage of Alzheimers is, I get to watch movies for the first time, over and over.

Ah @sumydid.
Welcome back then, and thanks for the contribution.

Originally posted by KellyJay
You produce one proof another will be demanded with some here.

But he has provided no "proofs", just his word, and after a few questions that has been accepted.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Jesus became sin for us, our sin so we could be forgiven. What do you think God is going
to do with those that accept His gift, and what do you think will happen to those that think
it a little thing not worth anything, or those found outside of Jesus' grace and mercy?

"Jesus became sin for us" .. oh good. Now we have no sin because of him right?
Happy days 🙂

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sumydid .. I remember the name. Your doctrine has not changed or matured. You still believe in eternal torment, and that good works are not required. Christians get eternal life by faith only .. I remember.

Yep it's Sumydid.

Originally posted by divegeester
And I replied to that by pointing out that two verses is just two verses, not a strong argument. But you ignored me for some reason.

Those who ignore you presumably do so for a reason, which you then ignore, 'for some reason'.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Those who ignore you presumably do so for a reason, which you then ignore, 'for some reason'.

Swish, grrr, swipe, lunge...

Originally posted by Rajk999
Sumydid .. I remember the name. Your doctrine has not changed or matured. You still believe in eternal torment, and that good works are not required. Christians get eternal life by faith only .. I remember.

My doctrine hasn't changed. Much. Or matured? And after 9 pages, you still insist that I believe in eternal torment.

I don't know if it's a reading comprehension thing, or something else. But I can empathize, at least. I'm having a hard time keeping up with the messages and I'm missing some. But I haven't been around for several years. What's your excuse? 😵

Originally posted by divegeester
Suzianne is an aggressive, irrational, repeat offender who attacks my posts for absolutely no reason. If you can defend her behaviour in the post to which I replied to her then go ahead.

Your "for absolutely no reason" is a bald-faced lie. For you, 'saving face' is more important than the truth, a trait you share with others on this forum whose morals are 'questionable', to be kind.

Originally posted by divegeester
Actually it doesn't. Everything in The book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ is symbolic; even "fire and brimstone" is symbolic of purging and cleansing. You're on the right track, keep at it and demand coherent answers from the hell fire supporters.

Even this claim of 'symbolism' can be taken too far. The answer is in discernment.

Originally posted by divegeester
He is just asking the guy questions.

Questions meant to distract from his point, which seems a too-common tactic here.